<div dir="ltr">Thanks Farzaneh for catching this. You have our support. Any concrete next steps?<div><br></div><div>best</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 9:32 PM, Arsène Tungali <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Farzaneh, thanks for whatching the list :)<br>
<br>
Keith literally ignored my message, this is telling.<br>
<br>
I also agree that we need to continue pushing for this until it is<br>
resolved (or we reach a comprimise) and not doing so in time will<br>
result in us being busy fighting other battles and forget about this<br>
one.<br>
<br>
We should indeed have the same number of reps within the NCPH (which<br>
should be 6 not 9, or at least 3) and have only 1 from the ACs. I am<br>
still wondering how Keith came to suggest this inequality between CSG<br>
and NCSG.<br>
<br>
2018-06-30 20:35 UTC+02:00, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<span class="">> Dear all,<br>
><br>
> I checked the mailing list of the EPDP, and I think our council members<br>
> have to make the issue with the latest EPDP membership structure quite<br>
> clear.<br>
><br>
> Keith Drazek says in the email that:<br>
><br>
</span>> * Attached is my updated version of the membership structure<br>
> (following this mornings discussion)*<br>
<div><div class="h5">><br>
> I would like to know based on what rationale it was decided to<br>
> allocate 9 membership slots to CSG while all other SGs have only 3<br>
> members.<br>
><br>
> Can someone bring up the problem clearly on the list? If you want to<br>
> coordinate, please lets have a chat about this on the PC mailing list<br>
> upon your arrival from Panama on Monday. Ayden has weighed in but we<br>
> need to weigh in and call out the number of membership slots that been<br>
> allocated to CSG as opposed to NCSG.<br>
><br>
> If our council members want the allocation be 6 members (instead of<br>
> 3) for each SG at NCPH, that is another matter to be discussed (and<br>
> was suggested on NCSG mailing list by STephanie) but this issue that<br>
> we are at a disadvantage is clear and needs to be corrected. At NCPH<br>
> The number of NCSG epdp members should be equal to CSG epdp members.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I see reactions from Ayden and Arsene below. I think there needs to be<br>
> more reaction, delineating the problem on the mailing list and arguing<br>
> for equal number of members to participate at SG level.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I personally prefer to keep all the SGs limited to 3 EPDP members but<br>
> if at the moment we can't agree on this, at least we need to flag that<br>
> CSG is getting 9 members<br>
><br>
><br>
> (I was supposed to send this yesterday I don't know if the issue been<br>
> raised already but I doubt it since you are traveling. If has been<br>
> then sorry for the unnecessary email.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dear Keith,<br>
><br>
> Can you please confirm you have noted these suggested edits by Ayden<br>
> and that you will update your document?<br>
><br>
> If no one has any objection to them, may i suggest these edits be<br>
> incorporated in the latest version of the draft charter?<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Arsene<br>
> -----------------<br>
> Arsène Tungali,<br>
><br>
><br>
> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)<br>
><br>
</div></div>>>* On Jun 27, 2018, at 11:23 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at <a href="http://ferdeline.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ferdeline.com</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/epdp-dt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/epdp-dt</a>>> wrote:<br>
> *> >* Thank you for preparing this, Keith.<br>
> *> >* I do not support other SO/ACs being able to appoint 3 members<br>
<span class="">> each. I prefer the original language that they only be permitted to<br>
> appoint 1 member each (and 1 alternate).<br>
</span>> *> >* I remain concerned with the first bullet point, and prefer the<br>
<span class="">> original text that members be appointed by Stakeholder Groups. How<br>
> each Stakeholder Group organises itself internally to appoint its own<br>
> membership composition is its own prerogative.<br>
</span>> *> >* Similarly, in regards to bullet point # 9 on establishing<br>
<span class="">> consensus, I would like this to be revised from "SG/C" to "Stakeholder<br>
> Group."<br>
</span>> *> >* In regards to bullet point # 12, please revise from, "The CPH<br>
<span class="">> must not be disadvantaged as a result during any assessment of<br>
> consensus" to "Neither the CPH nor NCSG of the NCPH may be<br>
> disadvantaged as a result during any assessment of consensus."<br>
</span>> *> >* Thank you again for working on this, Keith.<br>
> *> >* Best wishes,<br>
> *> >* Ayden Férdeline<br>
> *> > >* ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br>
> *>>* On 27 June 2018 10:10 PM, Drazek, Keith via Epdp-dt <epdp-dt at<br>
> <a href="http://icann.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">icann.org</a> <<a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/epdp-dt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/epdp-dt</a>>> wrote:<br>
> *>> >>* Hi all,<br>
> *>> >> >> >> >>* Attached is my updated version of the membership<br>
<span class="">> structure (following this mornings discussion), and also some very<br>
> preliminary proposed text for the eventual resolution.<br>
</span>> *>> >> >> >> >>* Please send comments!!<br>
> *>> >> >> >>* Thanks,<br>
> *>> >>* Keith*<br>
><br>
><br>
> Farzaneh<br>
> --<br>
> Farzaneh<br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
------------------------<br>
**Arsène Tungali* <<a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://about.me/ArseneTungali</a><wbr>>*<br>
Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international<br>
<<a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.rudiinternational.<wbr>org</a>>*,<br>
CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <<a href="https://www.smart-kitoko.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.smart-kitoko.com/</a><wbr>>*, *Mabingwa Forum<br>
<<a href="http://www.mabingwa-forum.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.mabingwa-forum.com</a><wbr>>*<br>
Tel: +243 993810967<br>
GPG: 523644A0<br>
*Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo*<br>
<br>
2015 Mandela Washington Felllow<br>
<<a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tungali.blogspot.com/<wbr>2015/06/selected-for-2015-<wbr>mandela-washington.html</a>><br>
(YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil<br>
<<a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.<wbr>org/what-we-do/education-and-<wbr>leadership-programmes/next-<wbr>generation-leaders/igf-<wbr>ambassadors-programme/Past-<wbr>Ambassadors</a>><br>
& Mexico<br>
<<a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.<wbr>org/what-we-do/education-and-<wbr>leadership-programmes/next-<wbr>generation-leaders/Current-<wbr>Ambassadors</a>>)<br>
- AFRISIG 2016 <<a href="http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://afrisig.org/afrisig-<wbr>2016/class-of-2016/</a>> - Blogger<br>
<<a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tungali.blogspot.com</a>> - ICANN's GNSO Council<br>
<<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gnso.icann.org/en/<wbr>about/gnso-council.htm</a>> Member. AFRINIC Fellow (<br>
Mauritius<br>
<<a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.afrinic.net/en/<wbr>library/news/1907-afrinic-25-<wbr>fellowship-winners</a>>)*<br>
- *IGFSA Member <<a href="http://www.igfsa.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.igfsa.org/</a>> - Internet Governance - Internet<br>
Freedom.<br>
<br>
Check the *2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC* report (English<br>
<<a href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=<wbr>234</a>>) and (French<br>
<<a href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=<wbr>242</a>>)<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
NCSG-PC mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is">NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/ncsg-pc</a><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>