<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>I want to add one point as we discussed several times about coordination and not discussing the substance. I drafted the initial text on resources/working methods and may have missed stuff for sure as there was no so much input. However, I discovered the changes and amendments like everyone in DT list. I guess I could have been informed for suggestions beforehand no?</div><div><br></div><div>the DT call won't be in 2nd or 3rd June and will factor that for our Policy Call next week.</div><div>With regard to input, I insist that we cover all areas of real concerns like the scope.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le jeu. 28 juin 2018 à 23:55, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Backing up Ayden
here....we are trying to be as transparent as possible here,
but we cannot keep up with the drafting and we are here on the
ground. This is stacking up to be a highly political process,
with set agendas from the parties and they are all preparing
well. We will not have time to reach community decisions and
remain effective. Transparency is about all we can manage.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">The next drafting team
call is likely to be July 2-3, and we have to reach
consensus. There are a lot of issues which are already
unfavourable to us. So please keep your input coming, but
time is against a robust consensus process at the NCSG level.
You are going to have to trust your councillors.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande"></font></font><br>
</p>
<div class="m_-5272758654569325581moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-06-28 09:38, Ayden Férdeline
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Hi Arsene,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Given how rapidly the charter is being drafted - and let's be
clear, it is being drafted as we speak by the other stakeholder
groups - I thought it important to respond swiftly and to try to
get this language inserted into the document. I did not advocate
for anything that is inconsistent with the NCSG's values; call
transcription is essential to holding ICANN accountable. So no,
I do not think it was necessary for me to "share this with PC
before sending to council list." That said I did forward my
email to the PC ex post to keep those who are not on the
drafting team informed as to what is happening.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As for cost, it is simply a cost of doing business for ICANN.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best wishes,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ayden <br>
</div>
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<div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br>
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<div> On 28 June 2018 7:29 AM, Arsène Tungali
<a class="m_-5272758654569325581moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank"><arsenebaguma@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
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<div> <br>
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<blockquote class="m_-5272758654569325581protonmail_quote" type="cite">
<div>I wish you shared this with PC before sending to council
list, a practice we have been encouraging here.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I also agree that meeting transcription is useful
especially when someone missed the call or need to cross check
something or simply for archives. Sometimes transcription is
better than listening to the recording for bandwidth reasons
as well.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Before i can back up this, i would like to know how much
this would cost. Is it possible to get this estimate from
staff? <br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Arsène Tungali,<br>
</div>
<div><a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" target="_blank">about.me/ArseneTungali</a><br>
</div>
<div>+243 993810967<br>
</div>
<div>GPG: 523644A0<br>
</div>
<div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)<br>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Jun 28, 2018, at 2:54 AM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>Please send back up to the Council list<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Transcription is not expensive and to save money
here is absurd<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let’s save money elsewhere <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ayden<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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ProtonMail Mobile<br>
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<div>
<div><br>
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<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 19:45, Martin Pablo Silva
Valent <<a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" target="_blank">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
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<div dir="auto">
<div>Ayden, there I gabe back up in transcript. Did
you sent yours coments to the pc? Did we reach any
conclusions on them? <br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Cheers!<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Martín<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jun 27, 2018, 19:31 Ayden
Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
wrote: <br>
</div>
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<div>I will need back up here from Councillors. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is important. We need transcription. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ayden<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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from ProtonMail Mobile<br>
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<div>---------- Forwarded message ---------- <br>
</div>
<div>From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight<<a rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
<br>
</div>
<div>Date: On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 19:28 <br>
</div>
<div>Subject: Fwd: Re: [Epdp-dt] Working Methods
<br>
</div>
<div>To: Ayden Férdeline <<a rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>,<a rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>
<<a rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>>
<br>
</div>
<div>Cc: <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ayden <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I disagree with the
transcription of all meetings. The costs
involved with that are disproportionately
high and ICANN funds would be better
directed elsewhere <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with most of your
other points. <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regards <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
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</p>
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</p>
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Michele Neylon</span></span><br>
</p>
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</p>
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</p>
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</p>
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blog: <a rel="noreferrer" href="https://michele.blog/" target="_blank"><span class="m_-5272758654569325581colour" style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://michele.blog/</span>
</a> </span></span><br>
</p>
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</a> </span></span><br>
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</p>
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</p>
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</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span class="m_-5272758654569325581colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-5272758654569325581size" style="font-size:12pt">From: </span></span></b><span class="m_-5272758654569325581colour" style="color:black"><span class="m_-5272758654569325581size" style="font-size:12pt">Epdp-dt
<<a rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:epdp-dt-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">epdp-dt-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <<a rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Ayden Férdeline <<a rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 27 June 2018
at 17:34<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>"
<<a rel="noreferrer" href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Epdp-dt] Working
Methods</span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all, <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I would like to request
several revisions be made to the EPDP
Working Methods please: <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>1) <u>All</u>
meetings must be recorded and
transcribed.</b> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please revise this text
from: <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>In addition to the
standard services provided to GNSO PDP
Working Groups such as policy staff
support, mailing lists and regular
conference calls, including recording
and transcription where needed
(frequency and duration to be decided by
EPDP team), the EPDP team will need
appropriate support to:</i> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">To: <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>All calls of the
EPDP must be recorded and transcribed,
and said recordings and call
transcriptions must be publicly
accessible from the ICANN website.
Standard support offered to GNSO PDP
Working Groups, including but not
limited to the provision of a wiki
space, archived mailing lists, and
conference call facilities, will be
required. In addition, the EPDP
will need appropriate support to:</i> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>2) Google Docs may <u>only</u>
be used in conjunction with Google
Vault.</b> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please revise the text
from: <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>the EPDP Team should
consider which tools provide the best
flexibility to facilitate online
collaboration, such as the wiki and
Google docs.</i> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">To: <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>the EPDP Team should
consider which tools provide the best
flexibility to facilitate online
collaboration, but it must do so in
accordance with the principles of
accountability and transparency that are
so important to the GNSO. If Google Docs
or other G Suite products are used, it <u>must</u>
be used in conjunction with Google
Vault, which logs data for archival
purposes. Similarly, if other tools are
used, they may be used only if they
preserve information to a level that
meets or exceeds eDiscovery standards in
California, being the location of
ICANN's headquarters.</i> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>3) Translation of
executive summary and recommendations of
the initial report for public comment,
and of the entire final report, into
ICANN's official languages.</b> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Suggested text: <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>The substantive work
of the EPDP must be translated into
ICANN's official languages in order to
provide non-English-fluent stakeholders
with an equal level of access to review
the work of the EPDP. For the initial
report(s), this must consist of the
executive summary and recommendations,
and for the final report, this must be a
translation of the entire report.</i> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards, <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ayden Férdeline <br>
</p>
</div>
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