<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Thank you!<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature"><div>-----------------</div><div>Arsène Tungali,</div><div><a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali">about.me/ArseneTungali</a></div><div>+243 993810967</div><div>GPG: 523644A0</div><div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)</div><div><br>On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:55 PM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Hi Arsene,<br></div><div><br></div><div>There are too many variables. It depends on how long the call is, how urgently the transcript is required, the level of accuracy demanded (can one person review it or must it be cross-checked and reviewed by someone else?), whether it is done internally by an ICANN employee or outsourced to an agency or contractor, etc. In any case transcription is a cost of doing business and too important to brush aside because it has cost implications.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div> On 28 June 2018 10:31 PM, Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div>Hi Ayden,<br></div><div><div><br></div><div>This makes sense and i understand the urgency. Thanks for explaining.<br></div><div><br></div><div>But I would still want you to expand upon the costing of meeting transcription. You read budgets very well, much better than many of us so please let us know on this, when you have some time. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div><div>Arsene<br></div><div><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><div>-----------------<br></div><div>Arsène Tungali,<br></div><div><a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali">about.me/ArseneTungali</a><br></div><div>+243 993810967<br></div><div>GPG: 523644A0<br></div><div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)<br></div></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Jun 28, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Hi Arsene,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Given how rapidly the charter is being drafted - and let's be clear, it is being drafted as we speak by the other stakeholder groups - I thought it important to respond swiftly and to try to get this language inserted into the document. I did not advocate for anything that is inconsistent with the NCSG's values; call transcription is essential to holding ICANN accountable. So no, I do not think it was necessary for me to "share this with PC before sending to council list." That said I did forward my email to the PC ex post to keep those who are not on the drafting team informed as to what is happening.<br></div><div><br></div><div>As for cost, it is simply a cost of doing business for ICANN.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden <br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div>On 28 June 2018 7:29 AM, Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>I wish you shared this with PC before sending to council list, a practice we have been encouraging here.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I also agree that meeting transcription is useful especially when someone missed the call or need to cross check something or simply for archives. Sometimes transcription is better than listening to the recording for bandwidth reasons as well.<br></div><div><br></div><div><div>Before i can back up this, i would like to know how much this would cost. Is it possible to get this estimate from staff? <br></div><div><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><div>-----------------<br></div><div>Arsène Tungali,<br></div><div><a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali">about.me/ArseneTungali</a><br></div><div>+243 993810967<br></div><div>GPG: 523644A0<br></div><div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)<br></div></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Jun 28, 2018, at 2:54 AM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Please send back up to the Council list<br></div><div><br></div><div>Transcription is not expensive and to save money here is absurd<br></div><div><br></div><div>Let’s save money elsewhere <br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden<br></div><div><br></div><div id="protonmail_mobile_signature_block">Sent from ProtonMail Mobile<br></div><div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 19:45, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <<a class="" href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><div>Ayden, there I gabe back up in transcript. Did you sent yours coments to the pc? Did we reach any conclusions on them? <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers!<br></div><div dir="auto">Martín<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jun 27, 2018, 19:31 Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote: <br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);" class="gmail_quote"><div>I will need back up here from Councillors. <br></div><div><br></div><div>This is important. We need transcription. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden<br></div><div><br></div><div id="m_4724598531915779563protonmail_mobile_signature_block">Sent from ProtonMail Mobile<br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_4724598531915779563protonmail_quote"><div>---------- Forwarded message ---------- <br></div><div>From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight<<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>> <br></div><div>Date: On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 19:28 <br></div><div>Subject: Fwd: Re: [Epdp-dt] Working Methods <br></div><div>To: Ayden Férdeline <<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>,<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org">epdp-dt@icann.org</a> <<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>> <br></div><div>Cc: <br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_4724598531915779563WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Ayden <u></u><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">I disagree with the transcription of all meetings. 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class="colour"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard" class="font">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<u></u></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" class="colour"><span style="font-family:-webkit-standard" class="font">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<u></u></span></span><br></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black" class="colour"><span style="font-size:12pt" class="size">From: </span></span></b><span style="color:black" class="colour"><span style="font-size:12pt" class="size">Epdp-dt <<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:epdp-dt-bounces@icann.org">epdp-dt-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br> <b>Reply-To: </b>Ayden Férdeline <<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br> <b>Date: </b>Wednesday 27 June 2018 at 17:34<br> <b>To: </b>"<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>" <<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>><br> <b>Subject: </b>[Epdp-dt] Working Methods<u></u></span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi all, <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I would like to request several revisions be made to the EPDP Working Methods please: <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b>1) <u>All</u> meetings must be recorded and transcribed.</b> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Please revise this text from: <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i>In addition to the standard services provided to GNSO PDP Working Groups such as policy staff support, mailing lists and regular conference calls, including recording and transcription where needed (frequency and duration to be decided
by EPDP team), the EPDP team will need appropriate support to:</i> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">To: <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i>All calls of the EPDP must be recorded and transcribed, and said recordings and call transcriptions must be publicly accessible from the ICANN website. Standard support offered to GNSO PDP Working Groups, including but not limited to
the provision of a wiki space, archived mailing lists, and conference call facilities, will be required. In addition, the EPDP will need appropriate support to:</i> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b>2) Google Docs may <u>only</u> be used in conjunction with Google Vault.</b> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Please revise the text from: <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i>the EPDP Team should consider which tools provide the best flexibility to facilitate online collaboration, such as the wiki and Google docs.</i> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">To: <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i>the EPDP Team should consider which tools provide the best flexibility to facilitate online collaboration, but it must do so in accordance with the principles of accountability and transparency that are so important to the GNSO. If Google
Docs or other G Suite products are used, it <u>must</u> be used in conjunction with Google Vault, which logs data for archival purposes. Similarly, if other tools are used, they may be used only if they preserve information to a level that meets or exceeds
eDiscovery standards in California, being the location of ICANN's headquarters.</i> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b>3) Translation of executive summary and recommendations of the initial report for public comment, and of the entire final report, into ICANN's official languages.</b> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Suggested text: <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i>The substantive work of the EPDP must be translated into ICANN's official languages in order to provide non-English-fluent stakeholders with an equal level of access to review the work of the EPDP. For the initial report(s), this must
consist of the executive summary and recommendations, and for the final report, this must be a translation of the entire report.</i> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards, <u></u><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Ayden Férdeline <u></u><br></p></div></div></blockquote><div>_______________________________________________ <br></div><div>NCSG-PC mailing list <br></div><div><a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="mailto:NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is">NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is</a> <br></div><div><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc</a> <br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></div><div><span>NCSG-PC mailing list</span><br></div><div><span><a href="mailto:NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is">NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is</a></span><br></div><div><span><a href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc</a></span><br></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></blockquote></body></html>