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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Ok I will rely on you
to provide information to the List Rafik, my apologies folks
for the wrong date, I guess I was being optimistic. As for
concerns on the document....I had a lot. Far beyond scope. <br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande"></font></font><br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-06-28 10:05, Rafik Dammak
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I want to add one point as we discussed several times about
coordination and not discussing the substance. I drafted the
initial text on resources/working methods and may have missed
stuff for sure as there was no so much input. However, I
discovered the changes and amendments like everyone in DT
list. I guess I could have been informed for suggestions
beforehand no?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>the DT call won't be in 2nd or 3rd June and will factor
that for our Policy Call next week.</div>
<div>With regard to input, I insist that we cover all areas of
real concerns like the scope.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Rafik<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">Le jeu. 28 juin 2018 à 23:55, Stephanie
Perrin <<a
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>
a écrit :<br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Backing up
Ayden here....we are trying to be as transparent
as possible here, but we cannot keep up with the
drafting and we are here on the ground. This is
stacking up to be a highly political process, with
set agendas from the parties and they are all
preparing well. We will not have time to reach
community decisions and remain effective.
Transparency is about all we can manage.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">The next
drafting team call is likely to be July 2-3, and
we have to reach consensus. There are a lot of
issues which are already unfavourable to us. So
please keep your input coming, but time is against
a robust consensus process at the NCSG level. You
are going to have to trust your councillors.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie
Perrin<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class="m_-5272758654569325581moz-cite-prefix">On
2018-06-28 09:38, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Hi Arsene,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Given how rapidly the charter is being drafted -
and let's be clear, it is being drafted as we speak
by the other stakeholder groups - I thought it
important to respond swiftly and to try to get this
language inserted into the document. I did not
advocate for anything that is inconsistent with the
NCSG's values; call transcription is essential to
holding ICANN accountable. So no, I do not think it
was necessary for me to "share this with PC before
sending to council list." That said I did forward my
email to the PC ex post to keep those who are not on
the drafting team informed as to what is happening.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As for cost, it is simply a cost of doing
business for ICANN.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best wishes,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ayden <br>
</div>
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<div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br>
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<div> On 28 June 2018 7:29 AM, Arsène Tungali <a
class="m_-5272758654569325581moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><arsenebaguma@gmail.com></a>
wrote:<br>
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class="m_-5272758654569325581protonmail_quote"
type="cite">
<div>I wish you shared this with PC before sending
to council list, a practice we have been
encouraging here.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I also agree that meeting transcription is
useful especially when someone missed the call or
need to cross check something or simply for
archives. Sometimes transcription is better than
listening to the recording for bandwidth reasons
as well.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Before i can back up this, i would like to
know how much this would cost. Is it possible to
get this estimate from staff? <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div>-----------------<br>
</div>
<div>Arsène Tungali,<br>
</div>
<div><a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">about.me/ArseneTungali</a><br>
</div>
<div>+243 993810967<br>
</div>
<div>GPG: 523644A0<br>
</div>
<div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)<br>
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<div>On Jun 28, 2018, at 2:54 AM, Ayden
Férdeline <<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
<div>Please send back up to the Council list<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Transcription is not expensive and to
save money here is absurd<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let’s save money elsewhere <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ayden<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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from ProtonMail Mobile<br>
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<div>
<div><br>
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<div>On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 19:45, Martin
Pablo Silva Valent <<a
href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Ayden, there I gabe back up in
transcript. Did you sent yours coments
to the pc? Did we reach any
conclusions on them? <br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Cheers!<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Martín<br>
</div>
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<div><br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jun 27, 2018,
19:31 Ayden Férdeline <<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
wrote: <br>
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<div>I will need back up here from
Councillors. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This is important. We need
transcription. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ayden<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>From: Michele Neylon -
Blacknight<<a rel="noreferrer"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
<br>
</div>
<div>Date: On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at
19:28 <br>
</div>
<div>Subject: Fwd: Re: [Epdp-dt]
Working Methods <br>
</div>
<div>To: Ayden Férdeline <<a
rel="noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>,<a
rel="noreferrer"
href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>
<<a rel="noreferrer"
href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>>
<br>
</div>
<div>Cc: <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ayden <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I disagree
with the transcription of all
meetings. The costs involved
with that are disproportionately
high and ICANN funds would be
better directed elsewhere <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with
most of your other points. <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regards <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Michele <br>
</p>
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style="color:black"><span
class="m_-5272758654569325581font"
style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Mr Michele Neylon</span></span><br>
</p>
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style="color:black"><span
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target="_blank"
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class="m_-5272758654569325581colour" style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">http://blacknight.blog/</span>
</a> </span></span><br>
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style="color:black"><span
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style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</span></span><br>
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style="color:black"><span
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style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span></span><br>
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style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Personal blog: <a rel="noreferrer"
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class="m_-5272758654569325581colour" style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://michele.blog/</span>
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style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Some thoughts: <a rel="noreferrer"
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class="m_-5272758654569325581colour" style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://ceo.hosting/</span>
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style="color:black"><span
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style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
class="m_-5272758654569325581colour"
style="color:black"><span
class="m_-5272758654569325581size" style="font-size:12pt">From: </span></span></b><span
class="m_-5272758654569325581colour" style="color:black"><span
class="m_-5272758654569325581size"
style="font-size:12pt">Epdp-dt
<<a rel="noreferrer"
href="mailto:epdp-dt-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">epdp-dt-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Ayden
Férdeline <<a
rel="noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Ayden
Férdeline <<a
rel="noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 27
June 2018 at 17:34<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a
rel="noreferrer"
href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>"
<<a rel="noreferrer"
href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Epdp-dt]
Working Methods</span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all, <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I would
like to request several
revisions be made to the EPDP
Working Methods please: <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>1) <u>All</u>
meetings must be recorded
and transcribed.</b> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please
revise this text from: <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>In
addition to the standard
services provided to GNSO
PDP Working Groups such as
policy staff support,
mailing lists and regular
conference calls, including
recording and transcription
where needed (frequency and
duration to be decided by
EPDP team), the EPDP team
will need appropriate
support to:</i> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">To: <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>All
calls of the EPDP must be
recorded and transcribed,
and said recordings and call
transcriptions must be
publicly accessible from the
ICANN website. Standard
support offered to GNSO PDP
Working Groups, including
but not limited to the
provision of a wiki space,
archived mailing lists, and
conference call facilities,
will be required. In
addition, the EPDP will need
appropriate support to:</i>
<br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>2)
Google Docs may <u>only</u>
be used in conjunction with
Google Vault.</b> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please
revise the text from: <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>the EPDP
Team should consider which
tools provide the best
flexibility to facilitate
online collaboration, such
as the wiki and Google docs.</i>
<br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">To: <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>the EPDP
Team should consider which
tools provide the best
flexibility to facilitate
online collaboration, but it
must do so in accordance
with the principles of
accountability and
transparency that are so
important to the GNSO. If
Google Docs or other G Suite
products are used, it <u>must</u>
be used in conjunction with
Google Vault, which logs
data for archival purposes.
Similarly, if other tools
are used, they may be used
only if they preserve
information to a level that
meets or exceeds eDiscovery
standards in California,
being the location of
ICANN's headquarters.</i> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>3)
Translation of executive
summary and recommendations
of the initial report for
public comment, and of the
entire final report, into
ICANN's official languages.</b>
<br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Suggested
text: <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>The
substantive work of the EPDP
must be translated into
ICANN's official languages
in order to provide
non-English-fluent
stakeholders with an equal
level of access to review
the work of the EPDP. For
the initial report(s), this
must consist of the
executive summary and
recommendations, and for the
final report, this must be a
translation of the entire
report.</i> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kind
regards, <br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ayden
Férdeline <br>
</p>
</div>
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