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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Backing up Ayden
          here....we are trying to be as transparent as possible here,
          but we cannot keep up with the drafting and we are here on the
          ground.  This is stacking up to be a highly political process,
          with set agendas from the parties and they are all preparing
          well.  We will not have time to reach community decisions and
          remain effective.  Transparency is about all we can manage.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">The next drafting team
          call is likely to be July 2-3, and we have to reach
          consensus.  There are a lot of issues which are already
          unfavourable to us.  So please keep your input coming, but
          time is against a robust consensus process at the NCSG level. 
          You are going to have to trust your councillors.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin<br>
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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande"></font></font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-06-28 09:38, Ayden Férdeline
      wrote:<br>
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      <div>Hi Arsene,<br>
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      <div>Given how rapidly the charter is being drafted - and let's be
        clear, it is being drafted as we speak by the other stakeholder
        groups - I thought it important to respond swiftly and to try to
        get this language inserted into the document. I did not advocate
        for anything that is inconsistent with the NCSG's values; call
        transcription is essential to holding ICANN accountable. So no,
        I do not think it was necessary for me to "share this with PC
        before sending to council list." That said I did forward my
        email to the PC ex post to keep those who are not on the
        drafting team informed as to what is happening.<br>
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      <div>As for cost, it is simply a cost of doing business for ICANN.<br>
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      <div>Best wishes,<br>
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      <div>Ayden  <br>
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      <div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br>
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      <div> On 28 June 2018 7:29 AM, Arsène Tungali
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com"><arsenebaguma@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
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        <div>I wish you shared this with PC before sending to council
          list, a practice we have been encouraging here.<br>
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        <div>I also agree that meeting transcription is useful
          especially when someone missed the call or need to cross check
          something or simply for archives. Sometimes transcription is
          better than listening to the recording for bandwidth reasons
          as well.<br>
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          <div>Before i can back up this, i would like to know how much
            this would cost. Is it possible to get this estimate from
            staff? <br>
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            <div>Arsène Tungali,<br>
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            <div><a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali"
                moz-do-not-send="true">about.me/ArseneTungali</a><br>
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            <div>+243 993810967<br>
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            <div>GPG: 523644A0<br>
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            <div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo<br>
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            <div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)<br>
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            <div>On Jun 28, 2018, at 2:54 AM, Ayden Férdeline <<a
                href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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              <div>Please send back up to the Council list<br>
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              <div>Transcription is not expensive and to save money
                here is absurd<br>
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              <div>Let’s save money elsewhere <br>
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              <div>Ayden<br>
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                  <div>On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 19:45, Martin Pablo Silva
                    Valent <<a class=""
                      href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
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                    <div>Ayden, there I gabe back up in transcript. Did
                      you sent yours coments to the pc? Did we reach any
                      conclusions on them?  <br>
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                    <div dir="auto">Cheers!<br>
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                    <div dir="auto">Martín<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jun 27, 2018, 19:31 Ayden
                      Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
                      wrote: <br>
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                      <div>I will need back up here from Councillors. <br>
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                      <div>This is important. We need transcription. <br>
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                      <div>Ayden<br>
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                        <div>---------- Forwarded message ---------- <br>
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                        <div>From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight<<a
                            rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                            href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
                          <br>
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                        <div>Date: On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 19:28 <br>
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                        <div>Subject: Fwd: Re: [Epdp-dt] Working Methods
                          <br>
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                        <div>To: Ayden Férdeline <<a rel="noreferrer"
                            target="_blank"
                            href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>,<a
                            rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                            href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>
                          <<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                            href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>>
                          <br>
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                        <div>Cc: <br>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Ayden <br>
                          </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
                          </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">I disagree with the
                            transcription of all meetings. The costs
                            involved with that are disproportionately
                            high and ICANN funds would be better
                            directed elsewhere <br>
                          </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
                          </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">I agree with most of your
                            other points. <br>
                          </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
                          </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Regards <br>
                          </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
                          </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Michele <br>
                          </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
                          </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
                          </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"
                                style="color:black"><span class="font"
                                  style="font-family:-webkit-standard">--</span></span><br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"
                                style="color:black"><span class="font"
                                  style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Mr
                                  Michele Neylon</span></span><br>
                            </p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"
                                style="color:black"><span class="font"
                                  style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Blacknight
                                  Solutions</span></span><br>
                            </p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"
                                style="color:black"><span class="font"
                                  style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Hosting,
                                  Colocation & Domains</span></span><br>
                            </p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"
                                style="color:black"><span class="font"
                                  style="font-family:-webkit-standard"><a
                                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                    href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      class="colour" style="color:rgb(5,
                                      99, 193)">https://www.blacknight.com/</span>
                                  </a> </span></span><br>
                            </p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"
                                style="color:black"><span class="font"
                                  style="font-family:-webkit-standard"><a
                                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                    href="http://blacknight.blog/"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      class="colour" style="color:rgb(5,
                                      99, 193)">http://blacknight.blog/</span>
                                  </a> </span></span><br>
                            </p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"
                                style="color:black"><span class="font"
                                  style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Intl.
                                  +353 (0) 59  9183072</span></span><br>
                            </p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"
                                style="color:black"><span class="font"
                                  style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Direct
                                  Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span></span><br>
                            </p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"
                                style="color:black"><span class="font"
                                  style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Personal
                                  blog: <a rel="noreferrer"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    href="https://michele.blog/"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      class="colour" style="color:rgb(5,
                                      99, 193)">https://michele.blog/</span>
                                  </a> </span></span><br>
                            </p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"
                                style="color:black"><span class="font"
                                  style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Some
                                  thoughts: <a rel="noreferrer"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    href="https://ceo.hosting/"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      class="colour" style="color:rgb(5,
                                      99, 193)">https://ceo.hosting/</span>
                                  </a> </span></span><br>
                            </p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"
                                style="color:black"><span class="font"
                                  style="font-family:-webkit-standard">-------------------------------</span></span><br>
                            </p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"
                                style="color:black"><span class="font"
                                  style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Blacknight
                                  Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
                                  12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span></span><br>
                            </p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"
                                style="color:black"><span class="font"
                                  style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
                                  X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845</span></span><br>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span class="colour"
                                  style="color:black"><span class="size"
                                    style="font-size:12pt">From: </span></span></b><span
                                class="colour" style="color:black"><span
                                  class="size" style="font-size:12pt">Epdp-dt
                                  <<a rel="noreferrer"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    href="mailto:epdp-dt-bounces@icann.org"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">epdp-dt-bounces@icann.org</a>>
                                  on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <<a
                                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                    href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
                                  <b>Reply-To: </b>Ayden Férdeline <<a
                                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                    href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
                                  <b>Date: </b>Wednesday 27 June 2018
                                  at 17:34<br>
                                  <b>To: </b>"<a rel="noreferrer"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>"
                                  <<a rel="noreferrer"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    href="mailto:epdp-dt@icann.org"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">epdp-dt@icann.org</a>><br>
                                  <b>Subject: </b>[Epdp-dt] Working
                                  Methods</span></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Hi all, <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">I would like to request
                              several revisions be made to the EPDP
                              Working Methods please: <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>1) <u>All</u>
                                meetings must be recorded and
                                transcribed.</b> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Please revise this text
                              from: <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><i>In addition to the
                                standard services provided to GNSO PDP
                                Working Groups such as policy staff
                                support, mailing lists and regular
                                conference calls, including recording
                                and transcription where needed
                                (frequency and duration to be decided by
                                EPDP team), the EPDP team will need
                                appropriate support to:</i> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">To: <br>
                            </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><i>All calls of the
                                EPDP must be recorded and transcribed,
                                and said recordings and call
                                transcriptions must be publicly
                                accessible from the ICANN website.
                                Standard support offered to GNSO PDP
                                Working Groups, including but not
                                limited to the provision of a wiki
                                space, archived mailing lists, and
                                conference call facilities, will be
                                required. In addition, the EPDP
                                will need appropriate support to:</i> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>2) Google Docs may <u>only</u>
                                be used in conjunction with Google
                                Vault.</b> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
                            </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Please revise the text
                              from: <br>
                            </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><i>the EPDP Team should
                                consider which tools provide the best
                                flexibility to facilitate online
                                collaboration, such as the wiki and
                                Google docs.</i> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">To: <br>
                            </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><i>the EPDP Team should
                                consider which tools provide the best
                                flexibility to facilitate online
                                collaboration, but it must do so in
                                accordance with the principles of
                                accountability and transparency that are
                                so important to the GNSO. If Google Docs
                                or other G Suite products are used, it <u>must</u>
                                be used in conjunction with Google
                                Vault, which logs data for archival
                                purposes. Similarly, if other tools are
                                used, they may be used only if they
                                preserve information to a level that
                                meets or exceeds eDiscovery standards in
                                California, being the location of
                                ICANN's headquarters.</i> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>3) Translation of
                                executive summary and recommendations of
                                the initial report for public comment,
                                and of the entire final report, into
                                ICANN's official languages.</b> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Suggested text: <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><i>The substantive work
                                of the EPDP must be translated into
                                ICANN's official languages in order to
                                provide non-English-fluent stakeholders
                                with an equal level of access to review
                                the work of the EPDP. For the initial
                                report(s), this must consist of the
                                executive summary and recommendations,
                                and for the final report, this must be a
                                translation of the entire report.</i> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards, <br>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Ayden Férdeline <br>
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