<div>We should have balanced decision-making processes anyway; I see the leadership as fulfilling more of an administrative function. They should not be making any final decisions. That competency lies with the members to advance and build recommendations based on consensus. The EPDP will have a very small membership - likely only 3 people per stakeholder group, 1 per SO/AC (though GAC apparently wants 5), and a Board liaison.<br></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Best wishes, Ayden <br></div></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div> On 20 June 2018 2:10 PM, Farell FOLLY <farell@benin2point0.org> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div>I also support this idea of fair representativity for every stakeholder. In fact, when we have a diverse leadership team it does mean that they will all lead and reach out all at the same time, but it does ensure that each stakeholder has a trusted Point of Contact in a good position to talk with. In my opinion, It will definitely balance decision-making processes. (Given that the team will comprise 10, 15 or 20 people, it still make sense. If it is less therefore it is useless)<br></div><div class=""><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div><br></div><div>@__f_f__<br></div></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div>Best Regards<br></div><div>____________________________________<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ekue (Farell) FOLLY<br></div><div>Technology Champion & Chapter Head<br></div></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Africa 2.0 Foundation.<br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><a href="http://www.africa2point0.org" class="">www.africa2point0.org</a><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><a href="http://linkedin.com/in/farellf" class="">linkedin.com/in/farellf</a><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div></div><div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 20 Jun 2018, at 13:52, Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@KATHYKLEIMAN.COM" class="">kathy@KATHYKLEIMAN.COM</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">Ayden, fair enough :-)<br></p><p class="">But I think the RDS did not work for other reasons - namely, the
ongoing refusal of certain members to believe the GDPR was real.
That was not the job of the Chair/Vice-Chair. In that case, I
think it was critical that Michele and David were alongside Chuck
and Susan Kawaguchi in the RDS endeavor. Can you imagine if they
had not been? <br></p><p class="">When we needed something, we went to David and Michele... I think
the principle still holds. I don't see neutrality in anyone's
formula on this one. Absent that, balance is key (everything often
weighs on it). I think you would be a great vice-chair, for
example :-)!<br></p><p class="">Best, K<br></p><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/20/2018 7:48 AM, Ayden Férdeline
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div>The
problem is that the RDS PDP WG crashed and therefore did not work
:-( <br></div><div class=""><br></div><div class="">We have discussed trying something new at the Council level
and, given how small the EPDP is likely to be, I think others
are right to say we should keep the leadership to 1 neutral
chair (hard to find we realise) and possibly 1 vice chair or a
co-chair. I really don’t see the point in having a larger
leadership team. We’ll only have 3 people on the EPDP, why do we
want one to have to be neutral?<br></div><div class=""><br></div><div class="">I am not set on anything yet and can be persuaded otherwise,
but above is my current train of thought. Thanks <br></div><div class=""><br></div><div class=""><div>Best wishes, Ayden <br></div><div class=""><br></div><div id="protonmail_mobile_signature_block" class="">Sent from ProtonMail
Mobile<br></div><div class=""><div><br></div><div class=""><div class=""><br></div><div>On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 13:43, Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" class="">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><p class="">I think it works well when there is one representative
from every (major) stakeholder group on the leadership
team (co-chairs or chair and vice-chairs). That means that
every (major) position is represented in the main
considerations of scheduling, preparation, and
presentation. This is how RDS works; and this is how RPM
works. Otherwise, we wind up with situations like the
Accreditation Groups with IPC as chair/lead, and BC as
chair/lead.<br></p><p class="">One chair and two vice chairs would ensure that the CPH,
and both sets of user groups are represented. In the
absence of neutrality (for there will be little here),
balance is key :-)!<br></p><p class="">Best, Kathy <br></p><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/20/2018 2:30 AM, Dr.
Tatiana Tropina wrote: <br></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><p class="">Agree with Rafik, too. I don't see what is the big
difference between two co-chairs and chair/vice-chair
set up (as I assume they are interchangeable when one
person can't be present at the time-consuming meetings
for whatever reason and they share the workload). I
wouldn't favour the council selection - rather leave it
to the group (or SSC, but I'd prefer the group selecting
them). However, on the latter issue I'll go with any
position PC develops - to me
membership/size/participation is more important because
if the group is sizeable and manageable and -- as I
prefer downsizing it to no more 3 members from SG -- the
leadership issue is less of a problem. These two are
intertwined, IMHO. <br></p><p class="">Cheers,<br></p><p class="">Tanya <br></p><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/06/18 06:42, farzaneh
badii wrote: <br></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Rafik<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I agree with
you. Two co-chairs or Chair and vice chair would be
good. <br></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif" class="font">Farzaneh</span><br></div></div></div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:57 PM Rafik
Dammak < <a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" class="">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>
wrote: <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div lang="EN-US" class=""><div class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:13px" class="size">Hi,</span></span><br></div><div class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:13px" class="size"></span></span><br></div><div class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:13px" class="size">as we started the discussion
at EPDP DT on different topics, I hope
that we can coordinate our positions here.</span></span><br></div><div class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:13px" class="size"></span></span><br></div><div class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:13px" class="size">I don't have a strong
preference in term of leardership
composition but it shouldn't be itself big
when we are trying to keep the EPDP team
at small size. so 2 co-chair or chair and
vice-chair is enough as they have to be
from the team itself and we shouldn't
jeoprodize participation. Selection by
the team itself is fine. appointment by
council has its own merit but I think that
may lead to over-engineered solution and
spending time in process (e.g. shall we
delegate to SSC?).</span></span><br></div><div class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:13px" class="size"></span></span><br></div><div class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:13px" class="size">I expect that GNSO council
leadership should be ex-officio there to
keep up to date but not participating in
discussion.</span></span><br></div><div class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:13px" class="size"></span></span><br></div><div class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:13px" class="size">please share your thoughts
too.</span></span><br></div><div class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:13px" class="size"></span></span><br></div><div class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:13px" class="size">Best,</span></span><br></div><div class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:13px" class="size"></span></span><br></div><div class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:13px" class="size">Rafik</span></span><br></div><div class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><div class=""> <br></div><p class="MsoNormal">ps we will start soon
our own process for appointing members
while the work is going on membership
requirements in the charter.<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid
#b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:12pt" class="size">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt" class="size">council
<<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" class="">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>>
on behalf of "McGrady, Paul D." <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com" target="_blank" class="">PMcGrady@winston.com</a>><br class=""> <b class="">Date: </b>Tuesday, June 19, 2018
at 16:14<br class=""> <b class="">To: </b>GNSO Council List <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" class="">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br class=""> <b class="">Subject: </b>[council] ePDP DT /
Leadership Issues</span></p></div><div class=""><div class=""> <br></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">I think we have at
least two questions to address:<br></p><div class=""> <br></div><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1" class=""><li class="MsoNormal"> What is the ideal
configuration of the leadership team for
an EPDP? <br></li></ol><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify">1
chair<br></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify">2
or more co-chairs<br></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify">1
chair and 1 or more vice-chairs<br></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify">Some other model<br></li></ul><div style="text-align: justify;" class=""> <br></div><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="1" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"> Depending on
the answer to the above, who should be
nominated for leadership and what is
that process? Historically, WG’s select
their own leadership and that is
ratified by the Council. Is that the
same plan for the ePDP?<br></li></ol><div class=""> <br></div><p class="MsoNormal">Let’s discuss. <br></p><div class=""> <br></div><p class="MsoNormal">PS: From the chat on
today’s call I saw (and want to capture
for your discussion):<br></p><div class=""> <br></div><p class="MsoNormal">Ayden Ferdeline: Chair
- Thomas Rickert<br></p><div class=""> <br></div><p class="MsoNormal">Best,<br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Paul<br></p><div class=""> <br></div><div class=""> <br></div><div class=""><span style="color:gray" class="colour"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:7.5pt" class="size"> </span></span></span> <br></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="color:gray" class="colour"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:7.5pt" class="size"><hr size="1" align="center" width="100%" class=""></span></span></span><br></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:gray" class="colour"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif" class="font"><span style="font-size:7.5pt" class="size">The
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