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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I must say that while
I agree with Ayden that RDS did not work, it might be
important to keep a member on the leadership team. This will
be on fast track, and given our history of being ignored, I
think it a bit risky to give up that seat on the leadership
team. I agree with Kathy that the principle holds and might
be even more important on this mad dash to get it done....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Having said that, the
decision about who to put on theleadership team is a tough
one. We need folks behind the scenes helping with research as
well...</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers STephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-06-20 07:52, Kathy Kleiman
wrote:<br>
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<p>Ayden, fair enough :-)</p>
<p>But I think the RDS did not work for other reasons - namely,
the ongoing refusal of certain members to believe the GDPR was
real. That was not the job of the Chair/Vice-Chair. In that
case, I think it was critical that Michele and David were
alongside Chuck and Susan Kawaguchi in the RDS endeavor. Can you
imagine if they had not been? <br>
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<p>When we needed something, we went to David and Michele... I
think the principle still holds. I don't see neutrality in
anyone's formula on this one. Absent that, balance is key
(everything often weighs on it). I think you would be a great
vice-chair, for example :-)!<br>
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<p>Best, K<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/20/2018 7:48 AM, Ayden Férdeline
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:5R1q28IDGD_204IiRzvgDE_7bB0GpZDZNZbdHoKFe3NcOmDt0E-_7rc20ynPeIavz0KtUd6Z4LiZn517VxGJ1arREUZN1en558F_O7q99Fo=@ferdeline.com">The
problem is that the RDS PDP WG crashed and therefore did not
work :-(
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<div>We have discussed trying something new at the Council level
and, given how small the EPDP is likely to be, I think others
are right to say we should keep the leadership to 1 neutral
chair (hard to find we realise) and possibly 1 vice chair or a
co-chair. I really don’t see the point in having a larger
leadership team. We’ll only have 3 people on the EPDP, why do
we want one to have to be neutral?</div>
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<div>I am not set on anything yet and can be persuaded
otherwise, but above is my current train of thought. Thanks </div>
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<div>Best wishes, Ayden
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On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 13:43, Kathy Kleiman <<a
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<p>I think it works well when there is one representative
from every (major) stakeholder group on the leadership
team (co-chairs or chair and vice-chairs). That means
that every (major) position is represented in the main
considerations of scheduling, preparation, and
presentation. This is how RDS works; and this is how RPM
works. Otherwise, we wind up with situations like the
Accreditation Groups with IPC as chair/lead, and BC as
chair/lead.</p>
<p>One chair and two vice chairs would ensure that the
CPH, and both sets of user groups are represented. In
the absence of neutrality (for there will be little
here), balance is key :-)!</p>
<p>Best, Kathy <br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/20/2018 2:30 AM, Dr.
Tatiana Tropina wrote: <br>
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<p>Agree with Rafik, too. I don't see what is the big
difference between two co-chairs and chair/vice-chair
set up (as I assume they are interchangeable when one
person can't be present at the time-consuming meetings
for whatever reason and they share the workload). I
wouldn't favour the council selection - rather leave
it to the group (or SSC, but I'd prefer the group
selecting them). However, on the latter issue I'll go
with any position PC develops - to me
membership/size/participation is more important
because if the group is sizeable and manageable and --
as I prefer downsizing it to no more 3 members from SG
-- the leadership issue is less of a problem. These
two are intertwined, IMHO. <br>
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<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tanya <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/06/18 06:42, farzaneh
badii wrote: <br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I agree
with you. Two co-chairs or Chair and vice chair
would be good. </div>
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<div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:57 PM Rafik
Dammak < <a
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>
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<div
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size="2" face="arial, helvetica,

sans-serif">Hi,</font> </div>
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size="2" face="arial, helvetica,

sans-serif"><br>
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<div
class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font
size="2" face="arial, helvetica,

sans-serif">as we started the discussion
at EPDP DT on different topics, I hope
that we can coordinate our positions
here.</font> </div>
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size="2" face="arial, helvetica,

sans-serif"><br>
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class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font
size="2" face="arial, helvetica,

sans-serif">I don't have a strong
preference in term of leardership
composition but it shouldn't be itself
big when we are trying to keep the EPDP
team at small size. so 2 co-chair or
chair and vice-chair is enough as they
have to be from the team itself and we
shouldn't jeoprodize participation.
Selection by the team itself is fine.
appointment by council has its own merit
but I think that may lead to
over-engineered solution and spending
time in process (e.g. shall we delegate
to SSC?).</font> </div>
<div
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sans-serif"><br>
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<div
class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font
size="2" face="arial, helvetica,

sans-serif">I expect that GNSO council
leadership should be ex-officio there to
keep up to date but not participating in
discussion.</font> </div>
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size="2" face="arial, helvetica,

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<div
class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font
size="2" face="arial, helvetica,

sans-serif">please share your thoughts
too.</font> </div>
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<div
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sans-serif">Best,</font> </div>
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<div
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sans-serif">Rafik</font> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">ps we will start soon
our own process for appointing members
while the work is going on membership
requirements in the charter.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">council
<<a
href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>>
on behalf of "McGrady, Paul D." <<a
href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">PMcGrady@winston.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, June 19, 2018
at 16:14<br>
<b>To: </b>GNSO Council List <<a
href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[council] ePDP DT /
Leadership Issues</span> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think we have at
least two questions to address:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1"
type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"> What is the ideal
configuration of the leadership team
for an EPDP? </li>
</ol>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify">1
chair </li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify">2
or more co-chairs</li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify">1
chair and 1 or more vice-chairs</li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify">
Some other model</li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify"> </p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2"
type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify"> Depending
on the answer to the above, who should
be nominated for leadership and what
is that process? Historically, WG’s
select their own leadership and that
is ratified by the Council. Is that
the same plan for the ePDP?</li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Let’s discuss. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">PS: From the chat on
today’s call I saw (and want to capture
for your discussion): </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ayden Ferdeline:
Chair - Thomas Rickert </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Paul</p>
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