The problem is that the RDS PDP WG crashed and therefore did not work :-(
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<div>We have discussed trying something new at the Council level and, given how small the EPDP is likely to be, I think others are right to say we should keep the leadership to 1 neutral chair (hard to find we realise) and possibly 1 vice chair or a co-chair.
I really don’t see the point in having a larger leadership team. We’ll only have 3 people on the EPDP, why do we want one to have to be neutral?</div>
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<div>I am not set on anything yet and can be persuaded otherwise, but above is my current train of thought. Thanks </div>
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<div>Best wishes, Ayden
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</div>On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 13:43, Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" class="">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<p>I think it works well when there is one representative from every (major) stakeholder group on the leadership team (co-chairs or chair and vice-chairs). That means that every (major) position is represented in the main considerations of scheduling,
preparation, and presentation. This is how RDS works; and this is how RPM works. Otherwise, we wind up with situations like the Accreditation Groups with IPC as chair/lead, and BC as chair/lead.</p>
<p>One chair and two vice chairs would ensure that the CPH, and both sets of user groups are represented. In the absence of neutrality (for there will be little here), balance is key :-)!</p>
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<p>Agree with Rafik, too. I don't see what is the big difference between two co-chairs and chair/vice-chair set up (as I assume they are interchangeable when one person can't be present at the time-consuming meetings for whatever reason and
they share the workload). I wouldn't favour the council selection - rather leave it to the group (or SSC, but I'd prefer the group selecting them). However, on the latter issue I'll go with any position PC develops - to me membership/size/participation
is more important because if the group is sizeable and manageable and -- as I prefer downsizing it to no more 3 members from SG -- the leadership issue is less of a problem. These two are intertwined, IMHO.
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<p>Cheers,</p>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I agree with you. Two co-chairs or Chair and vice chair would be good. </div>
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<div class="m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">as we
started the discussion at EPDP DT on different
topics, I hope that we can coordinate our
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don't have a strong preference in term of
leardership composition but it shouldn't be itself
big when we are trying to keep the EPDP team at
small size. so 2 co-chair or chair and vice-chair
is enough as they have to be from the team itself
and we shouldn't jeoprodize participation.
Selection by the team itself is fine. appointment
by council has its own merit but I think that may
lead to over-engineered solution and spending time
in process (e.g. shall we delegate to SSC?).</font>
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expect that GNSO council leadership should be
ex-officio there to keep up to date but not
participating in discussion.</font>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ps we will start soon our own process for appointing members while the work is going on membership requirements in the charter.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">council
<<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>>
on behalf of "McGrady, Paul D." <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">PMcGrady@winston.com</a>><br />
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 16:14<br />
<b>To: </b>GNSO Council List <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br />
<b>Subject: </b>[council] ePDP DT /
Leadership Issues</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think we have at least two questions to address:</p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"> What is the ideal configuration of the leadership team for an EPDP? </li>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify">1 chair
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify">2 or more co-chairs</li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify">1 chair and 1 or more vice-chairs</li>
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Some other model</li>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"> Depending on the answer to the above, who should be nominated for leadership and what is that process? Historically, WG’s select their own leadership and that is ratified by the Council.
Is that the same plan for the ePDP?</li>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let’s discuss. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">PS: From the chat on today’s call I saw (and want to capture for your discussion):
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ayden Ferdeline: Chair - Thomas Rickert
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