<div dir="auto"><div>Hi.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I would object. It looks like a zero -sum game strategy. Instead of working toward neutrality, we will try to get co-chairs or vice-chairs to keep each one in check. It doesn't look a good way to build team or encouraging for everyone to commit.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Rafik </div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 8:53 PM Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p>Ayden, fair enough :-)</p>
<p>But I think the RDS did not work for other reasons - namely, the
ongoing refusal of certain members to believe the GDPR was real.
That was not the job of the Chair/Vice-Chair. In that case, I
think it was critical that Michele and David were alongside Chuck
and Susan Kawaguchi in the RDS endeavor. Can you imagine if they
had not been? <br>
</p>
<p>When we needed something, we went to David and Michele... I think
the principle still holds. I don't see neutrality in anyone's
formula on this one. Absent that, balance is key (everything often
weighs on it). I think you would be a great vice-chair, for
example :-)!<br>
</p>
<p>Best, K<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357moz-cite-prefix">On 6/20/2018 7:48 AM, Ayden Férdeline
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">The
problem is that the RDS PDP WG crashed and therefore did not work
:-(
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>We have discussed trying something new at the Council level
and, given how small the EPDP is likely to be, I think others
are right to say we should keep the leadership to 1 neutral
chair (hard to find we realise) and possibly 1 vice chair or a
co-chair. I really don’t see the point in having a larger
leadership team. We’ll only have 3 people on the EPDP, why do we
want one to have to be neutral?</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>I am not set on anything yet and can be persuaded otherwise,
but above is my current train of thought. Thanks </div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Best wishes, Ayden
<div> <br>
</div>
<div id="m_4675942790337677357protonmail_mobile_signature_block">Sent from ProtonMail
Mobile</div>
<div> <br>
<div>
<div> <br>
</div>
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 13:43, Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="m_4675942790337677357protonmail_quote" type="cite">
<p>I think it works well when there is one representative
from every (major) stakeholder group on the leadership
team (co-chairs or chair and vice-chairs). That means that
every (major) position is represented in the main
considerations of scheduling, preparation, and
presentation. This is how RDS works; and this is how RPM
works. Otherwise, we wind up with situations like the
Accreditation Groups with IPC as chair/lead, and BC as
chair/lead.</p>
<p>One chair and two vice chairs would ensure that the CPH,
and both sets of user groups are represented. In the
absence of neutrality (for there will be little here),
balance is key :-)!</p>
<p>Best, Kathy <br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357moz-cite-prefix">On 6/20/2018 2:30 AM, Dr.
Tatiana Tropina wrote: <br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<p>Agree with Rafik, too. I don't see what is the big
difference between two co-chairs and chair/vice-chair
set up (as I assume they are interchangeable when one
person can't be present at the time-consuming meetings
for whatever reason and they share the workload). I
wouldn't favour the council selection - rather leave it
to the group (or SSC, but I'd prefer the group selecting
them). However, on the latter issue I'll go with any
position PC develops - to me
membership/size/participation is more important because
if the group is sizeable and manageable and -- as I
prefer downsizing it to no more 3 members from SG -- the
leadership issue is less of a problem. These two are
intertwined, IMHO. <br>
</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tanya <br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357moz-cite-prefix">On 20/06/18 06:42, farzaneh
badii wrote: <br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Rafik</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I agree with
you. Two co-chairs or Chair and vice chair would be
good. </div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr" class="m_4675942790337677357gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:57 PM Rafik
Dammak < <a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>
wrote: <br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" lang="EN-US">
<div class="m_4675942790337677357m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">Hi,</font> </div>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><br>
</font> </div>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">as we started the discussion
at EPDP DT on different topics, I hope
that we can coordinate our positions here.</font>
</div>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><br>
</font> </div>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">I don't have a strong
preference in term of leardership
composition but it shouldn't be itself big
when we are trying to keep the EPDP team
at small size. so 2 co-chair or chair and
vice-chair is enough as they have to be
from the team itself and we shouldn't
jeoprodize participation. Selection by
the team itself is fine. appointment by
council has its own merit but I think that
may lead to over-engineered solution and
spending time in process (e.g. shall we
delegate to SSC?).</font> </div>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><br>
</font> </div>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">I expect that GNSO council
leadership should be ex-officio there to
keep up to date but not participating in
discussion.</font> </div>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><br>
</font> </div>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">please share your thoughts
too.</font> </div>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><br>
</font> </div>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">Best,</font> </div>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><br>
</font> </div>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">Rafik</font> </div>
<div class="m_4675942790337677357m_-419958809599559947m_-4450792714631890705WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">ps we will start soon
our own process for appointing members
while the work is going on membership
requirements in the charter.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
</p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">council
<<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>>
on behalf of "McGrady, Paul D." <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">PMcGrady@winston.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, June 19, 2018
at 16:14<br>
<b>To: </b>GNSO Council List <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[council] ePDP DT /
Leadership Issues</span> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I think we have at
least two questions to address:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"> What is the ideal
configuration of the leadership team for
an EPDP? </li>
</ol>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify">1
chair </li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify">2
or more co-chairs</li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify">1
chair and 1 or more vice-chairs</li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:justify">
Some other model</li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"> </p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"> Depending on
the answer to the above, who should be
nominated for leadership and what is
that process? Historically, WG’s select
their own leadership and that is
ratified by the Council. Is that the
same plan for the ePDP?</li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Let’s discuss. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">PS: From the chat on
today’s call I saw (and want to capture
for your discussion): </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Ayden Ferdeline: Chair
- Thomas Rickert </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Paul</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:gray"> </span>
</p>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:gray">
<hr size="1" align="center" width="100%">
</span> </div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:gray">The
contents of this message may be
privileged and confidential. If this
message has been received in error,
please delete it without reading it.
Your receipt of this message is not
intended to waive any applicable
privilege. Please do not disseminate
this message without the permission of
the author. Any tax advice contained in
this email was not intended to be used,
and cannot be used, by you (or any other
taxpayer) to avoid penalties under
applicable tax laws and regulations. </span>
</p>
</div>
</div>
_______________________________________________
<br>
Epdp-dt mailing list <br>
<a href="mailto:Epdp-dt@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Epdp-dt@icann.org</a>
<br>
<a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/epdp-dt" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/epdp-dt</a>
</div>
</div>
_______________________________________________ <br>
NCSG-PC mailing list <br>
<a href="mailto:NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is</a>
<br>
<a href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc</a>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="m_4675942790337677357mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre>_______________________________________________
NCSG-PC mailing list
<a class="m_4675942790337677357moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is</a>
<a class="m_4675942790337677357moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
<fieldset class="m_4675942790337677357mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre>_______________________________________________
NCSG-PC mailing list
<a class="m_4675942790337677357moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is</a>
<a class="m_4675942790337677357moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
NCSG-PC mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc</a><br>
</blockquote></div></div></div>