<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>ICANN seems late as usual for the announcement but my understanding is there will be a proper consultation process for accreditation/access model and no it is not centered around IPC/BC model. so we don't need to comment on it. instead, we can propose an alternative model if we deem that necessary and/or explore others that can be acceptable for us and tweak them.</div><div><br></div><div>as Stephanie mentioned, the need for tiered access may be not warranted due to the limited number of requests in practice. but I assume that ICANN would go anyway to satisfy different groups.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 11:48 PM Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>What do you mean? What kind of announcement might be coming, Rafik? <br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Best wishes, Ayden <br></div></div><div class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972protonmail_signature_block-proton m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div> On 18 June 2018 4:44 PM, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972protonmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><div><div>Hold on, some announcement to be made today and so IPC/BC wont be our main concern<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Rafik <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 11:36 PM farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div><div dir="auto">I am of one mind. And this has always beeny approach. Any comment on this from ncsg should be only a statement to the board warning them not to adopt it and provide reasons and send a copy to wp29 <br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:30 AM Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972size"><span style="font-family:Lucida Grande" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972font">I am also of two
minds... this is why I am trying to get a blog out on the
matter, prior to Panama. We need to explain a few of the
fundamental facts about accreditation. I thought I would try
to do that in a very basic blog. Given the actual number of
requests for data that the registrars are receiving (and that
the ccTLDs have been receiving prior to this whole GDPR thing)
the volume may not support a tiered access model....so I think
it is more important to comment to ICANN more broadly, not
respond to them. On the other hand....guess who ICANN listens
to, we may therefore need to get a direct attack on the
record. We should discuss this in Panama in my view.</span></span><br></p><p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972size"><span style="font-family:Lucida Grande" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972font">cheers Steph</span></span><br></p></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972m_5417445816862557421m_5892865771517941997moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-06-18 10:24, Dr. Tatiana
Tropina wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><p>Ayden,<br></p><p>thank you. I am of two mind about this - I don't want us to
legitimise it anyhow, but not tearing it apart and not resisting
it might do us more good than bad. We might stand on the
position that the model has to be developed by the community
(and in this regard this model has a major procedural flow),
however, it means that we have to insist on the Council that the
work on the accreditation should start urgently. I am afraid not
everyone on the council would share the same sentiment - IPC/BC
apparently could say they have a model proposal and CPH might
potentially argue that they have other priorities. May be CPH
could be convinced when they take into account Akram's position. <br></p><p>I think we have to argue procedure-wise first without going
into the content of this proposal - otherwise by fighting about
the content we just somehow legitimise it more. Walking a thin
line here, because they might try to advance it and push it
forward - but the point that the major parts of the community
had no participation and no influence on the content might play
a role in declining this process-wise.<br></p><p>Would be happy to hear further thoughts....<br></p><p>Cheers,<br></p><p>Tanya <br></p><div><br></div><div class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972m_5417445816862557421m_5892865771517941997moz-cite-prefix">On 18/06/18 15:52, Ayden Férdeline
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Thoughts -- do we legitimise this process by commenting,
tearing it apart, or just pay no attention to it? It is a very
problematic proposal.... I hope it is not being taken
seriously anywhere, but given Akram's comments quoted in
Domain Incite last week (i.e. we will have an accreditation
model very soon as the community wants it), maybe it is...<br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972m_5417445816862557421m_5892865771517941997protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972m_5417445816862557421m_5892865771517941997protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>- Ayden <br></div></div><div class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972m_5417445816862557421m_5892865771517941997protonmail_signature_block-proton m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972m_5417445816862557421m_5892865771517941997protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div>On 18 June 2018 3:37 PM, Vayra, Fabricio (Perkins Coie) <a class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972m_5417445816862557421m_5892865771517941997moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:FVayra@perkinscoie.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><FVayra@perkinscoie.com></a> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972m_5417445816862557421m_5892865771517941997protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972m_5417445816862557421m_5892865771517941997WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Please see attached version 1.6 of the
Accreditation and Access Model that includes tweaks to the
second paragraph under the introduction in Annex I:
Registration Directory Service Accreditation Authority
(RDSAA).<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks and we look forward to your
further input.<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972colour"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972font"><span style="font-size:10pt" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972size">Fabricio Vayra</span></span></span></b><b><span style="color:rgb(214,0,28)" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972colour"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972font"><span style="font-size:10pt" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972size"> </span></span></span></b><b><span style="color:rgb(117,120,123)" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972colour"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972font"><span style="font-size:10pt" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972size">| </span></span></span></b><b><span style="color:rgb(214,0,28)" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972colour"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972font"><span style="font-size:10pt" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972size">Perkins Coie
LLP</span></span></span></b><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(117,120,123)" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972colour"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972font"><span style="font-size:7.5pt" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972size">PARTNER</span></span></span></b><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(117,120,123)" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972colour"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972font"><span style="font-size:7.5pt" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972size">D.
+1.202.654.6255</span></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><b>From:</b> Vayra, Fabricio (WDC) <br></div><div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 16, 2018 1:29 AM<br></div><div><b>To:</b> '<a class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972m_5417445816862557421m_5892865771517941997moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accred-model@icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">accred-model@icann.org</a>' <a class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972m_5417445816862557421m_5892865771517941997moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:accred-model@icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><accred-model@icann.org></a><br></div><div><b>Subject:</b> Version 1.6 of the Accreditation
and Access Model<br></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Attached for discussion and additional
comment is version 1.6 of the Accreditation and Access
Model. This, following further comment and input from
many parts of the community, is a much richer and robust
model. Notably, this version 1.6 contains new:<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li style="margin-left:2.25pt" class="MsoNormal">Annex D: Accreditation Approach for
Intellectual Property Owners and Agents<br></li><li style="margin-left:2.25pt" class="MsoNormal">Annex J: Lawful Bases for Access to
WHOIS Data<br></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks to those who made
constructive contributions to further developing this
model.<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you again for your input and
support.<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972colour"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972font"><span style="font-size:10pt" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972size">Fabricio Vayra</span></span></span></b><b><span style="color:rgb(214,0,28)" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972colour"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972font"><span style="font-size:10pt" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972size"> </span></span></span></b><b><span style="color:rgb(117,120,123)" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972colour"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972font"><span style="font-size:10pt" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972size">| </span></span></span></b><b><span style="color:rgb(214,0,28)" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972colour"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972font"><span style="font-size:10pt" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972size">Perkins Coie
LLP</span></span></span></b><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(117,120,123)" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972colour"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972font"><span style="font-size:7.5pt" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972size">PARTNER</span></span></span></b><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(117,120,123)" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972colour"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972font"><span style="font-size:7.5pt" class="m_4174104405637751921m_1811132790069447319m_-199526383555037972size">D.
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