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<p>Yeah, I think the broad action like explaining in general + a
call for a community-developed model would be attacking this, er,
paper (I won't even call it a model!) indirectly anyway. Once the
community agrees to start the process of accreditation -- I
believe there is no way to implement bilateral/unilateral actions
of certain constituencies because it will contradict to the
on-going process at ICANN -- or may be am naïve but at least the
risk of this IPC/BC "proposal" or whatever passing though anyhow
would be significantly reduced. <br>
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<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tanya <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/06/18 16:30, Stephanie Perrin
wrote:<br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I am also of two
minds... this is why I am trying to get a blog out on the
matter, prior to Panama. We need to explain a few of the
fundamental facts about accreditation. I thought I would
try to do that in a very basic blog. Given the actual
number of requests for data that the registrars are
receiving (and that the ccTLDs have been receiving prior to
this whole GDPR thing) the volume may not support a tiered
access model....so I think it is more important to comment
to ICANN more broadly, not respond to them. On the other
hand....guess who ICANN listens to, we may therefore need to
get a direct attack on the record. We should discuss this
in Panama in my view.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Steph</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-06-18 10:24, Dr. Tatiana
Tropina wrote:<br>
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<p>Ayden,</p>
<p>thank you. I am of two mind about this - I don't want us to
legitimise it anyhow, but not tearing it apart and not
resisting it might do us more good than bad. We might stand on
the position that the model has to be developed by the
community (and in this regard this model has a major
procedural flow), however, it means that we have to insist on
the Council that the work on the accreditation should start
urgently. I am afraid not everyone on the council would share
the same sentiment - IPC/BC apparently could say they have a
model proposal and CPH might potentially argue that they have
other priorities. May be CPH could be convinced when they take
into account Akram's position. <br>
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<p>I think we have to argue procedure-wise first without going
into the content of this proposal - otherwise by fighting
about the content we just somehow legitimise it more. Walking
a thin line here, because they might try to advance it and
push it forward - but the point that the major parts of the
community had no participation and no influence on the content
might play a role in declining this process-wise.</p>
<p>Would be happy to hear further thoughts....</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tanya <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/06/18 15:52, Ayden Férdeline
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<div>Thoughts -- do we legitimise this process by commenting,
tearing it apart, or just pay no attention to it? It is a
very problematic proposal.... I hope it is not being taken
seriously anywhere, but given Akram's comments quoted in
Domain Incite last week (i.e. we will have an accreditation
model very soon as the community wants it), maybe it is...</div>
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<div> On 18 June 2018 3:37 PM, Vayra, Fabricio (Perkins Coie)
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please see attached version 1.6 of
the Accreditation and Access Model that includes tweaks
to the second paragraph under the introduction in Annex
I: Registration Directory Service Accreditation
Authority (RDSAA).<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks and we look forward to your
further input.<br>
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style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span
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style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span
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<div><b>From:</b> Vayra, Fabricio (WDC) <br>
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<div> <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 16, 2018 1:29 AM<br>
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<div> <b>Subject:</b> Version 1.6 of the
Accreditation and Access Model<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Attached for discussion and
additional comment is version 1.6 of the Accreditation
and Access Model. This, following further comment and
input from many parts of the community, is a much richer
and robust model. Notably, this version 1.6 contains
new:<br>
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<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li style="margin-left:2.25pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"
class="MsoNormal">Annex D: Accreditation Approach for
Intellectual Property Owners and Agents<br>
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<li style="margin-left:2.25pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"
class="MsoNormal">Annex J: Lawful Bases for Access to
WHOIS Data<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks to those who made
constructive contributions to further developing this
model.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you again for your input and
support.<br>
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LLP</span></span></span></b><br>
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