<div dir="ltr">Hi Stephanie,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the updates,</div><div>did you express your concerns or support registrars representatives there?</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le jeu. 14 juin 2018 à 05:21, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">as this working group
has been chugging along for the past two years with scant
input from ourselves (basically, we are in my view
sufficiently aligned with the registrars who want to maintain
this service at a reasonable cost) I have not updated
regularly. However, I think we should raise alarm bells
here.....looks like they may be trying to price this service
out of existence. For reference, check out the last couple of
months emails, including a knock down drag out fight to get
Finance to produce their costing rationale.<br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Just being a bit
perrinoid....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Steph</font></font><br>
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Hi Amy,<br>
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If there is no counter argument why do we provide feedback in the
first place?<br>
Were the arguments not valid, not good enough?<br>
<br>
I still see a program startup, that will cost over a million, and
that does not make sense to me post GDPR with a redacted WHOIS for
23+ days.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Theo<br>
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On 13-6-2018 19:11, Amy Bivins wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear Colleagues,<br>
<br>
Thank you for taking the time to review and provide feedback on
the privacy and proxy service provider accreditation
fees-related documentation, both on the list and during the
meetings we have recently had on this topic.<br>
<br>
ICANN org has carefully considered the feedback of all IRT
members in developing the proposed fee structure. Despite
recommendations from some IRT members to reduce the proposed
fees, ICANN org continues to believe that the fees proposed are
reasonable and appropriate, for the reasons identified in the
fees proposal documentation (attached).<br>
<br>
As noted in the fees proposal, ICANN org analyzed three relevant
factors in reaching the fee structure that was proposed:
relevant benchmarks; fees transparency, simplicity, stability
and predictability; and anticipated program management costs.
ICANN org understands that some IRT members disagree with this
assessment, but did not find any of the arguments or suggestions
raised by IRT members persuasive.<br>
If persuasive reasons are raised for revisiting the proposed fee
structure during the public comment period, ICANN org commits to
revisit the proposed fees. Please know that ICANN org sincerely
appreciates the time and effort you committed to this exercise
and the broader work of the IRT.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Amy<br>
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Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl] PP fees proposal
document attached<br>
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Thanks Amy,<br>
<br>
Am I reading this correctly? The program startup and application
processing is going to cost; 1,117,390???<br>
That is a huge amount of money for a program startup if only a
few providers signup for this and the majority decides that the
temporary spec or it's successor is enough privacy for
registrants. But maybe I am reading it incorrectly.<br>
<br>
When I look at the Activity Relevant Department(s) Accredited
Provider Account Management Services, it seems many of these
activities already exist for Registrars. Can those activities
not be handled by the same folks?<br>
I mean does it matter if a Registrar changes its name or a
Privacy Provider? It's the same type of processing is it not?<br>
<br>
Also, a question about the PP Data Retention Waiver activity.
What is this activity?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Theo<br>
<br>
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Amy Bivins schreef op 2018-05-22 10:20 PM:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear Colleagues,<br>
<br>
Attached, you will find additional information related to the
proposed<br>
fees for the privacy and proxy service provider accreditation
program.<br>
Please review and send any comments/questions to the list.<br>
<br>
Thank you for your patience.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Amy<br>
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