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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">as this working group
          has been chugging along for the past two years with scant
          input from ourselves (basically, we are in my view
          sufficiently aligned with the registrars who want to maintain
          this service at a reasonable cost) I have not updated
          regularly.  However, I think we should raise alarm bells
          here.....looks like they may be trying to price this service
          out of existence.  For reference, check out the last couple of
          months emails, including a knock down drag out fight to get
          Finance to produce their costing rationale.<br>
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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Just being a bit
          perrinoid....</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Steph</font></font><br>
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            <td>Re: [Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl] [Ext] Re: PP fees proposal
              document attached</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Date: </th>
            <td>Wed, 13 Jun 2018 21:22:29 +0200</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">From: </th>
            <td>theo geurts <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"><gtheo@xs4all.nl></a></td>
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            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl@icann.org">gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl@icann.org</a></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">To: </th>
            <td>Amy Bivins <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:amy.bivins@icann.org"><amy.bivins@icann.org></a>,
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl@icann.org">gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl@icann.org</a>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl@icann.org"><gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl@icann.org></a></td>
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      Hi Amy,<br>
      <br>
      If there is no counter argument why do we provide feedback in the
      first place?<br>
      Were the arguments not valid, not good enough?<br>
      <br>
      I still see a program startup, that will cost over a million, and
      that does not make sense to me post GDPR with a redacted WHOIS for
      23+ days.<br>
      <br>
      Thanks,<br>
      <br>
      Theo<br>
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      <br>
      On 13-6-2018 19:11, Amy Bivins wrote:<br>
      <blockquote type="cite">Dear Colleagues,<br>
        <br>
        Thank you for taking the time to review and provide feedback on
        the privacy and proxy service provider accreditation
        fees-related documentation, both on the list and during the
        meetings we have recently had on this topic.<br>
        <br>
        ICANN org has carefully considered the feedback of all IRT
        members in developing the proposed fee structure. Despite
        recommendations from some IRT members to reduce the proposed
        fees, ICANN org continues to believe that the fees proposed are
        reasonable and appropriate, for the reasons identified in the
        fees proposal documentation (attached).<br>
        <br>
        As noted in the fees proposal, ICANN org analyzed three relevant
        factors in reaching the fee structure that was proposed:
        relevant benchmarks; fees transparency, simplicity, stability
        and predictability; and anticipated program management costs.
        ICANN org understands that some IRT members disagree with this
        assessment, but did not find any of the arguments or suggestions
        raised by IRT members persuasive.<br>
        If persuasive reasons are raised for revisiting the proposed fee
        structure during the public comment period, ICANN org commits to
        revisit the proposed fees. Please know that ICANN org sincerely
        appreciates the time and effort you committed to this exercise
        and the broader work of the IRT.<br>
        <br>
        Best,<br>
        <br>
        Amy<br>
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        From: gtheo [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl">mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>]<br>
        Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 10:04 AM<br>
        To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl@icann.org">gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl@icann.org</a><br>
        Cc: Amy Bivins <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:amy.bivins@icann.org"><amy.bivins@icann.org></a><br>
        Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl] PP fees proposal
        document attached<br>
        <br>
        Thanks Amy,<br>
        <br>
        Am I reading this correctly? The program startup and application
        processing is going to cost; 1,117,390???<br>
        That is a huge amount of money for a program startup if only a
        few providers signup for this and the majority decides that the
        temporary spec or it's successor is enough privacy for
        registrants. But maybe I am reading it incorrectly.<br>
        <br>
        When I look at the Activity Relevant Department(s) Accredited
        Provider Account Management Services, it seems many of these
        activities already exist for Registrars. Can those activities
        not be handled by the same folks?<br>
        I mean does it matter if a Registrar changes its name or a
        Privacy Provider? It's the same type of processing is it not?<br>
        <br>
        Also, a question about the PP Data Retention Waiver activity.
        What is this activity?<br>
        <br>
        Thanks,<br>
        <br>
        Theo<br>
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        Amy Bivins schreef op 2018-05-22 10:20 PM:<br>
        <blockquote type="cite">Dear Colleagues,<br>
          <br>
          Attached, you will find additional information related to the
          proposed<br>
          fees for the privacy and proxy service provider accreditation
          program.<br>
          Please review and send any comments/questions to the list.<br>
          <br>
          Thank you for your patience.<br>
          <br>
          Best,<br>
          <br>
          Amy<br>
          <br>
          AMY E. BIVINS<br>
          <br>
          Registrar Services and Engagement Senior Manager<br>
          <br>
          Registrar Services and Industry Relations<br>
          <br>
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