<div dir="auto"><div>Hi Stephanie,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Maybe we should know better about the cureent status and progress of the review team?did it work on term of references and scoping yet or not?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Rafik <br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 7:02 AM Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">fair points.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Any ideas on how to
          proceed?</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">SP<br>
        </font></font></p>
    <div class="m_-9031263446040014060moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-03-22 17:22, Rafik Dammak
      wrote:<br>
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        <div>Hi ,
          <div dir="auto"><br>
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          <div dir="auto">I would be more cautious here, contracted
            trying to be too tactical but there may be unintended
            consequences. We heard Goran many times last talking about
            proposing changes to reviews but we have no idea about
            specifics. Pausing may just lead somehow to less serious and
            small in scope reviews in future with whatever ICANN wants
            to propose.</div>
          <div dir="auto">Pausing without clear conditions for restart
            will be another SSR2 drama and playing into narrative that
            community cannot manage those processes. </div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
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          <div dir="auto">Best,</div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto">Rafik </div>
          <br>
          <br>
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            <div dir="ltr">On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 6:10 AM Stephanie
              Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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                <p>Interesting.  DO we have a view on this folks?  I
                  would not object to putting the RDS review on hold. 
                  Far too much to keep track of, notably GDPR and the
                  Privacy proxy services IRT.</p>
                <p>Steph<br>
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                        <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap align="RIGHT">Subject: </th>
                        <td>Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs]
                          ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in
                          RDS/WHOIS2</td>
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                        <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap align="RIGHT">Date: </th>
                        <td>Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:26:35 -0300</td>
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                        <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap align="RIGHT">From: </th>
                        <td>Anthony Harris <a class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><harris@cabase.org.ar></a></td>
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                        <td>'PAMELA LITTLE' <a class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><pam.little@alibaba-inc.com></a>,
                          'Heather Forrest' <a class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><haforrestesq@gmail.com></a>,
                          'GNSO Council List' <a class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><council@gnso.icann.org></a>,
                          'Austin, Donna' <a class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Donna.Austin@team.neustar" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><Donna.Austin@team.neustar></a></td>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
                        support Pam’s suggestion.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Tony
                        Harris</span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#05233d">Antonio
                                Harris</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"><br>
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                              </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1b4260"><a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0099cc;text-decoration:none">harris@cabase.org.ar</span></a> · <a href="http://www.cabase.org.ar" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0099cc;text-decoration:none">www.cabase.org.ar</span></a></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#90a7b5"><img id="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750Imagen_x0020_5" alt="eco" width="14" border="0" height="14"> No
                                me imprimas si no es necesario.
                                Protejamos el medio ambiente</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black"></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                        council [<a class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>]
                        <b>En nombre de </b>PAMELA LITTLE<br>
                        <b>Enviado el:</b> miércoles, 21 de marzo de
                        2018 0:55<br>
                        <b>Para:</b> Heather Forrest; GNSO Council List;
                        Austin, Donna<br>
                        <b>Asunto:</b> Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd:
                        [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council resolves not to
                        participate in RDS/WHOIS2</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">In
                            addition to bandwidth issue<i> </i>and in
                            light of<i> </i>the discussions around ICANN
                            budget and GDPR at ICANN61, perhaps the
                            community should consider a deferral/pause
                            of this review.  </span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Also, see
                            below excerpt of Goran's latest blog </span><a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/budget-discussions-at-icann61" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/budget-discussions-at-icann61</a>:</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">"...and
                            for the RDS Review, there is still
                            significant work remaining to address the
                            impacts of the General Data Protection
                            Regulation (GDPR) on the WHOIS system.
                            Delaying either of these reviews would save
                            many hours of volunteer time. Additionally,
                            and more broadly, addressing the timing of
                            reviews, and approach, will contribute to
                            discussing how to make future reviews more
                            efficient and more relevant. Deferring a
                            review that will be impacted by current
                            Policy Development Processes or other
                            outside factors, could have significant
                            savings on productivity and cost."</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Kind
                            regards,</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Pam</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">------------------------------------------------------------------</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sender:Austin,
                              Donna via council <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent
                              at:2018 Mar 21 (Wed) 07:34</span></p>
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                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">To:Heather
                              Forrest <<a href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">haforrestesq@gmail.com</a>>;
                              GNSO Council List <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject:Re:
                              [council] [EXTERNAL] <span class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">Fwd</span>:
                              [<span class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">soac</span>-chairs]
                              ccNSO Council resolves not to participate
                              in RDS/WHOIS2</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Heather,
                            Susan</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Where
                            does this leave the RDS Review Team in terms
                            of adequate membership? I know Susan has
                            raised concerns previously that there isn’t
                            enough people to do the work. </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Is
                            it possible for the GNSO to recommend
                            additional candidates to fill the vacancies
                            left by the ccNSO’s decision not to appoint
                            volunteers?</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Donna</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
                            council [<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>]
                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Heather Forrest<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:51
                            AM<br>
                            <b>To:</b> GNSO Council List <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [council] <span class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">Fwd</span>: [<span class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">soac</span>-chairs]
                            ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in
                            RDS/WHOIS2</span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Council colleagues,</p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Please note the ccNSO's
                              affirmed position on RDS/WHOIS2 RT.</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Best wishes,</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Heather</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">----------
                                Forwarded message ----------<br>
                                From: <b>Katrina Sataki</b> <<a href="mailto:katrina@nic.lv" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">katrina@nic.lv</a>><br>
                                Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:37 PM<br>
                                Subject: [<span class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">soac</span>-chairs]
                                ccNSO Council resolves not to
                                participate in RDS/WHOIS2<br>
                                To: Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>><br>
                                Cc: <span class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">Goran</span>
                                <span class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">Marby</span>
                                <<a href="mailto:goran.marby@icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">goran.marby@icann.org</a>>,
                                Chris Disspain <<a href="mailto:chris.disspain@board.icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">chris.disspain@board.icann.org</a>>,
                                <a href="mailto:mike.silber@board.icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">mike.silber@board.icann.org</a>,
                                SOAC Chairs <<a href="mailto:soac-chairs@icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">soac-chairs@icann.org</a>></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">7 March 2018</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">To: Alan
                                    Greenberg, RDS/WHOIS 2 Review Team,
                                    Chair</p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">CC: Chris
                                    Disspain, Mike <span class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">Silber</span>,
                                    <span class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">Göran</span>
                                    <span class="m_-9031263446040014060m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">Marby</span>,
                                    Chairs of ALAC, ASO, GAC, GNSO,
                                    SSAC, RSAC  </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Alan,</p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">In May 2017, we
                                    informed the ICANN Board of
                                    Directors that the ccNSO did not
                                    find itself in a position to
                                    nominate candidates for the RDS/
                                    WHOIS2 Review Team, and deferred
                                    participation in this specific
                                    review.  </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On 18 January
                                    2018, the ccNSO Council again
                                    discussed its participation in the
                                    review. Following this discussion,
                                    by 16 February 2018, the ccNSO
                                    Council decided not to participate
                                    in the RDS/WHOIS2 specific review. </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">The ccNSO Council
                                    thanks the volunteers who sought
                                    endorsement of the ccNSO.</p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,</p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Katrina Sataki,</p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Chair of the
                                    ccNSO  </p>
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