<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I agree with Rafik, without a clear output on where this leads (rules to restart, timeline, what happens with the things that do need to be address, etc) to we should retrain from approving a stop. Is part of the “management” at council level to take a knowledgeable decision on how to address it, if not, someone else might decide for us.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">Martín<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 22 Mar 2018, at 18:22, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" class="">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Hi ,<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I would be more cautious here, contracted trying to be too tactical but there may be unintended consequences. We heard Goran many times last talking about proposing changes to reviews but we have no idea about specifics. Pausing may just lead somehow to less serious and small in scope reviews in future with whatever ICANN wants to propose.</div><div dir="auto" class="">Pausing without clear conditions for restart will be another SSR2 drama and playing into narrative that community cannot manage those processes. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Best,</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Rafik </div><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 6:10 AM Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" class="">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">Interesting. DO we have a view on this folks? I would not
object to putting the RDS review on hold. Far too much to keep
track of, notably GDPR and the Privacy proxy services IRT.</p><p class="">Steph<br class="">
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<td class="">Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs] ccNSO
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<td class="">Anthony Harris <a class="m_-7492410820468425750moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><harris@cabase.org.ar></a></td>
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<td class="">'PAMELA LITTLE' <a class="m_-7492410820468425750moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><pam.little@alibaba-inc.com></a>,
'Heather Forrest' <a class="m_-7492410820468425750moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><haforrestesq@gmail.com></a>, 'GNSO
Council List' <a class="m_-7492410820468425750moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><council@gnso.icann.org></a>, 'Austin,
Donna' <a class="m_-7492410820468425750moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Donna.Austin@team.neustar" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><Donna.Austin@team.neustar></a></td>
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support Pam’s suggestion.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">Tony
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council [<a class="m_-7492410820468425750moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>] <b class="">En
nombre de </b>PAMELA LITTLE<br class="">
<b class="">Enviado el:</b> miércoles, 21 de marzo de 2018 0:55<br class="">
<b class="">Para:</b> Heather Forrest; GNSO Council List; Austin,
Donna<br class="">
<b class="">Asunto:</b> Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs]
ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">In
addition to bandwidth issue<i class=""> </i>and in light of<i class=""> </i>the
discussions around ICANN budget and GDPR at ICANN61,
perhaps the community should consider a deferral/pause
of this review. </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Also, see
below excerpt of Goran's latest blog </span><a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/budget-discussions-at-icann61" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/budget-discussions-at-icann61</a>:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" class="">"...and for
the RDS Review, there is still significant work
remaining to address the impacts of the General Data
Protection Regulation (GDPR) on the WHOIS system.
Delaying either of these reviews would save many hours
of volunteer time. Additionally, and more broadly,
addressing the timing of reviews, and approach, will
contribute to discussing how to make future reviews more
efficient and more relevant. Deferring a review that
will be impacted by current Policy Development Processes
or other outside factors, could have significant savings
on productivity and cost."</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Kind
regards,</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Sender:Austin,
Donna via council <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">council@gnso.icann.org</a>></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Sent
at:2018 Mar 21 (Wed) 07:34</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">To:Heather
Forrest <<a href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">haforrestesq@gmail.com</a>>;
GNSO Council List <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">council@gnso.icann.org</a>></span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Subject:Re:
[council] [EXTERNAL] <span class="m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">Fwd</span>:
[<span class="m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">soac</span>-chairs]
ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in
RDS/WHOIS2</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">Heather,
Susan</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">Where
does this leave the RDS Review Team in terms of adequate
membership? I know Susan has raised concerns previously
that there isn’t enough people to do the work. </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">Is
it possible for the GNSO to recommend additional
candidates to fill the vacancies left by the ccNSO’s
decision not to appoint volunteers?</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">Donna</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" class="">
council [<a href="mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org</a>]
<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Heather Forrest<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:51 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> GNSO Council List <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">council@gnso.icann.org</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [council] <span class="m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">Fwd</span>: [<span class="m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">soac</span>-chairs] ccNSO
Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Dear Council colleagues,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Please note the ccNSO's affirmed
position on RDS/WHOIS2 RT.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Best wishes,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Heather<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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From: <b class="">Katrina Sataki</b> <<a href="mailto:katrina@nic.lv" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">katrina@nic.lv</a>><br class="">
Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:37 PM<br class="">
Subject: [<span class="m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">soac</span>-chairs]
ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in
RDS/WHOIS2<br class="">
To: Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>><br class="">
Cc: <span class="m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">Goran</span> <span class="m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">Marby</span> <<a href="mailto:goran.marby@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">goran.marby@icann.org</a>>,
Chris Disspain <<a href="mailto:chris.disspain@board.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">chris.disspain@board.icann.org</a>>,
<a href="mailto:mike.silber@board.icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">mike.silber@board.icann.org</a>,
SOAC Chairs <<a href="mailto:soac-chairs@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">soac-chairs@icann.org</a>><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">7 March 2018<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">To: Alan Greenberg, RDS/WHOIS
2 Review Team, Chair<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">CC: Chris Disspain, Mike <span class="m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">Silber</span>, <span class="m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">Göran</span> <span class="m_-7492410820468425750spellchecktypo">Marby</span>, Chairs of
ALAC, ASO, GAC, GNSO, SSAC, RSAC <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Dear Alan,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">In May 2017, we informed the
ICANN Board of Directors that the ccNSO did not
find itself in a position to nominate candidates
for the RDS/ WHOIS2 Review Team, and deferred
participation in this specific review. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">On 18 January 2018, the ccNSO
Council again discussed its participation in the
review. Following this discussion, by 16
February 2018, the ccNSO Council decided not to
participate in the RDS/WHOIS2 specific review. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The ccNSO Council thanks the
volunteers who sought endorsement of the ccNSO.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Katrina Sataki,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Chair of the ccNSO <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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