<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>I just had a quick read through the Council's comment and i think it looks great. The SCBO did a good job in developping this. I don't have any substantial comment but maybe just on the form. <br><br></div>When reading through and having read our own comment, i can feel the same person was holding the pen on both comments and I would like to thank Ayden for the work done there as well. I was wondering if there was a way to remove some paragraphs which reads exactly the same in both comments? I believe this would be a way to keep both comments original. Someone outside the GNSO reading them would feel like either one copied paragraphs from the other group. There are some paragraphs that i would love to only remain in our comment because i believe we should take ownership of them and not be replicated in the council's comment because actually we were the first to put them forward in our comment. I don't know whether this makes any sense.<br><br></div>I am not sure how this can be done now that the council draft is also out. I don't want any paragraph to be removed from our comment because it is ready to be submitted but if there are ways to remove those from the council comment, that would be great.<br><br></div>Lastly and i know we have reached consensus on the paragraph on Fellowship program (and should no longer argue on it) but after reading what Council suggests, I would have loved for us to clear ours and keep the one on the council comment as it is more elaborate and very clear than ours.<br><br></div>Thanks,<br></div>Arsene<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>------------------------<br>*<a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" target="_blank"><b>Arsène Tungali</b></a>*<br></div>Co-Founder & Executive Director, <span><i><a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org" target="_blank">Rudi international</a></i>,</span><br>CEO,<i> <a href="http://www.smart-serv.info" target="_blank">Smart Services Sarl</a></i>, <i><a href="http://www.mabingwa-forum.com" target="_blank">Mabingwa Forum</a></i> <br>Tel: +243 993810967<i><br></i></div><div>GPG: 523644A0<i><br></i></div><div><u>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</u><i><br><br></i></div><div><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" target="_blank">2015 Mandela Washington Felllow</a> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors" target="_blank">Brazil</a> & <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors" target="_blank">Mexico</a>) <font face="monospace,monospace">- <a href="http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/" target="_blank">AFRISIG 2016</a> - </font><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com" target="_blank">Blogger</a> - ICANN's <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm" target="_blank">GNSO Council</a> Member.<i> </i>AFRINIC Fellow<i> </i>(<a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners" target="_blank">Mauritius</a>)<i> - </i><a href="http://www.igfsa.org/" target="_blank">IGFSA Member</a> - Internet Governance - Internet Freedom.<i> </i><br><br>Check the <i>2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC</i> report (<a href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234" target="_blank">English</a>) and (<a href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242" target="_blank">French</a>)<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-03-01 10:02 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>I think this was always the fear; that the comment would be actively shaped by some voices, and then someone would come in a day before the (Council) deadline with substantive edits that are inconsistent with what the other 20+ members of the SCBO debated and agreed on over the space of five calls and 200+ emails. How we push back given whom has submitted these comments is challenging; I don't want the rest of the SCBO to feel like their concerns have not been heard, but ultimately, the SCBO has no delegated authority - the correspondence we sent can only go out (under the name of the GNSO Council) if there are no objections from a single member of the GNSO Council. So we seem kind of stuck. We did ask for feedback and we received it... some of the recent edits that have come in are not bad, it's just we discussed them already (with representatives from the same stakeholder group), and the prose we put forward was what everyone had found comfort with... anyway, it is what it is.<br></div><div><br></div><div>As for the bullet point on SubPro - there was a concern that an initial draft of our comment was too vague and did not say what policy support we actually need. However, we then had difficulties identifying precisely what support we would need, in part because we are not privy to the org's internal timelines and precise resource allocations for project IDs. We could not even find out how much the RDS PDP WG's legal advice last year cost, which we had hoped might guide us in ensuring there was a sufficient budget allocation this year for further advice. On the Council call last week members of the SubPro PDP WG mentioned concerns about the lack of resources in the budget for their needs. The Council Chair subsequently consulted with the SubPro leadership team to understand what resources they projected needing and came back with that language, and I think it is good. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Only in the past hour she has submitted a new suggestion to the mailing list which I think might address your concern? I am pasting below the Council Chair's suggested addition:<br></div><div><br></div><div><i>Second, the GNSO Council wishes to propose an improvement to ICANN org’s budget development process. The GNSO Council met in January to identify and prioritise its policy development and other activities in the coming year. We believe that the results of this exercise would prove an extremely effective tool to ICANN org in its development of the annual budget, in that it would provide the organization with clear, current status anticipated timelines and thus help the organization more accurately account for policy implementation in the annual budget. The GNSO Council considers a more robust information gathering approach by ICANN org to be an important and necessary maturation in its budgeting and fiscal prudence.</i><i><br></i></div><div><br></div><div class="m_3154427105916191287protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_3154427105916191287protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Ayden <br></div></div><div class="m_3154427105916191287protonmail_signature_block-proton m_3154427105916191287protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div> On 1 March 2018 6:28 AM, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="m_3154427105916191287protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi Ayden,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thanks for this,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I reviewed the comment (also last edits by Donna). I think it is getting shape well but still, we have to be cautious with regard to other groups comments since not all of them were that active in SCBO and may ask for last minute changes.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I am thinking if we can suggest more about supporting PDP work and not just highlighting subpro , one suggestion was that consideration should be made for budgeting the PDPs and their upcoming implementation based on GNSO council planning. maybe adding more consultation from finance dept to the council on that matter. do you think that is possible at this stage?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">after the comments period, the council still has to engage at Puerto Rico meeting in the budget-related sessions and with finance team.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">thanks again for the work done there and steering the effort.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>2018-02-28 6:48 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>Dear all,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I have sent this communication through to the Council on behalf of the Standing Committee on ICANN Budget and Operations. I am sharing this here on our list for two reasons; firstly, to make sure our Councilors are happy with it (it would be embarrassing for any concerns to be flagged on the Council list - please try to resolve them here or with me directly), and secondly, to see if there might be any elements that we would like to borrow and address in our (NCSG) comment on the Budget. Happy to hear your thoughts. Thank you.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,<br></div><span class="m_3154427105916191287gmail-im m_3154427105916191287gmail-HOEnZb"><div><br></div><div class="m_3154427105916191287gmail-m_2175406406335294459protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_3154427105916191287gmail-m_2175406406335294459protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Ayden <br></div></div><div class="m_3154427105916191287gmail-m_2175406406335294459protonmail_signature_block-proton m_3154427105916191287gmail-m_2175406406335294459protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div>On 27 February 2018 10:31 PM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div></span><div class="m_3154427105916191287gmail-HOEnZb"><div class="m_3154427105916191287gmail-h5"><blockquote class="m_3154427105916191287gmail-m_2175406406335294459protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>Dear all,<br></div><div><br></div><div>On behalf of the Standing Committee on ICANN Budget and Operations, please find attached the latest working draft of our comments on the FY19 Budget for your review.<br></div><div><br></div><div>As mentioned on our Council call last Thursday, we are seeking to submit these comments on behalf of the Council on 8 March absent any objections from a member of the Council.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Please can you review the attached file by close of business in your timezone this Friday, 2 March. We will then consider your comments on our call on Monday, 5 March and submit a revised version of this comment for your final review immediately after our call on Monday. Thank you very much.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,<br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_3154427105916191287gmail-m_2175406406335294459protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_3154427105916191287gmail-m_2175406406335294459protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Ayden Férdeline<br></div><div><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" rel="nofollow" title="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a><br></div></div><div class="m_3154427105916191287gmail-m_2175406406335294459protonmail_signature_block-proton m_3154427105916191287gmail-m_2175406406335294459protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br></div><div> NCSG-PC mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is</a><br></div><div> <a rel="noreferrer" href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc" target="_blank">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/ncsg-pc</a><br></div><div> <br></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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