<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hi</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I agree with Ayden.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As to adding an additional day to policy forum for outreach, we should support it (I checked, it's supported in GNSO Council public comment). But then GNSO council doc says that it should not only be limited to outreach and groups should be allowed to do whatever they desire. I warn you against this language. GNSO and PDPs staff can always organize PDPs and meetings that conflicts with outreach. Our best people want to attend these meeitngs and can't attend outreach. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">It even surprises me why this is up for debate. The Policy Forum was never meant to be just policy forum. It was policy and outreach forum but those who don't want outreach kept ignoring the outreach aspect.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I care about outreach. It has not worked very well for us in terms of getting people interested in policy but I think we can work on it and do outreach and in-reach during that day, hopefully with the peace of mind that GNSO and PDPs won't have dozens of meetings we want to attend. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">****</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I don't see a comment on location selection. Is it not for comment now? We need to comment on location selection criteria if that part is also included. NCSG cares about this. Although the paper says: <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
<p class="gmail-ListBulletSimple" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;text-indent:0cm;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-ItalicChar" style="font-weight:normal;font-style:italic"><span>{Q: Is there a preference from SO/AC leaders to adopt new criteria for the selection of ICANN Meeting locations based on factors such as gender issues, democratic principles, and strict rules in observance of religious holidays?<span></span></span></span></p>
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<p class="gmail-LeftParagraph" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">The consensus among community leaders and representatives was that no new criteria for the selection of ICANN Meeting locations should be added.}<span></span></span></p>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I should say that not considering democratic values, gender issues etc for venue selection was not NCSG position and during the meeting I tried to cast the vote in line with NCSG position (however difficult). Some NCSG members believe that democratic values, gender issues etc should be considered for venue selection. You might want to add that to the public comment that If these criteria are not considered, ICANN should commit to providing a safe environment for the participants. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Also ICANN should look at other organizations. For example refer to IETF Meeting Selection Criteria : <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-12.html#rfc.section.3.1">https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-12.html#rfc.section.3.1</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I think IETF doc is quite appropriate. Maybe we ask them to convene a group to discuss meeting location? Do they normally seek community input on meeting location so that it does not come as a surprise? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 9:17 PM, Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>I think the comment which the GNSO Council submitted on this topic captures these arguments well, so I am not sure there is a need for the NCSG to submit a separate one. However if we do submit one under separate cover I would make it clear that frontloading all the important sessions into day one or two of the meeting (because some stakeholders do not attend the entire meeting) is problematic and an unwise scheduling decision, in my humble opinion.<br></div><div><br></div><div>- Ayden <br></div><div class="m_3516521533098257497protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_3516521533098257497protonmail_signature_block-proton m_3516521533098257497protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div> On 30 January 2018 8:17 PM, Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="m_3516521533098257497protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I drafted this comment but it has received only one edit from Rafik: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MIeFmS_LXmo04CyzxZ8hlFdAvG_tUhkBGxY2J_ffCvI/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.<wbr>com/document/d/1MIeFmS_<wbr>LXmo04CyzxZ8hlFdAvG_<wbr>tUhkBGxY2J_ffCvI/edit?usp=<wbr>sharing</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Can we have a look and add some substance to have it ready for submission or not?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div><div>Arsene<br></div><div><div class="m_3516521533098257497gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>------------------------<br></div><div>*<a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" target="_blank"><b>Arsène Tungali</b></a>*<br></div></div><div>Co-Founder & Executive Director, <span><i><a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org" target="_blank">Rudi international</a></i>,</span><br></div><div>CEO,<i> <a href="http://www.smart-serv.info" target="_blank">Smart Services Sarl</a></i>, <i><a href="http://www.mabingwa-forum.com" target="_blank">Mabingwa Forum</a></i> <br></div><div>Tel: <a href="tel:+243%20993%20810%20967" value="+243993810967" target="_blank">+243 993810967</a><i></i><br></div></div><div>GPG: 523644A0<i></i><br></div><div><u>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</u><i><br></i></div><div><div><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" target="_blank">2015 Mandela Washington Felllow</a> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors" target="_blank">Brazil</a> & <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors" target="_blank">Mexico</a>) <span class="m_3516521533098257497font" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">- <a href="http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/" target="_blank">AFRISIG 2016</a> - </span><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com" target="_blank">Blogger</a> - ICANN's <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm" target="_blank">GNSO Council</a> Member.<i> </i>AFRINIC Fellow<i> </i>(<a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners" target="_blank">Mauritius</a>)<i> - </i><a href="http://www.igfsa.org/" target="_blank">IGFSA Member</a> - Internet Governance - Internet Freedom.<i> </i><br></div><div><br></div><div>Check the <i>2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC</i> report (<a href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234" target="_blank">English</a>) and (<a href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242" target="_blank">French</a>)<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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