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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Well I am sorry that I
          did not get the comment in as well.  There is a lot to read
          and I have read it (unlike many).  WE need to know where the
          opposition is coming from.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">The ECO comments have
          been out there a while, and they deal with the models.  There
          is absolutely nothing wrong with endorsing another group's
          position.  Their legal analysis is excellent, in my view.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Ignoring the reality
          that there is a cybercrime problem out there is, in my view,
          not a thoughtful position to take.  I can attempt to reword it
          if you point me to precisely what is sticking in your
          throats.  We want layered access....a failure to support
          layered access at this point in time will set us back years,
          we finally have ICANN agreeing to it.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I am happy to send my
          comments in myself if you don't support them.  I think they
          are well informed and realistic.  I think Option 3 was thrown
          out there as a poison pill and I am not taking it.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">let me know.....</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Steph</font></font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-01-28 09:50, farzaneh badii
      wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="auto">Hello Stephanie </div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
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        <div dir="auto">Is eco model in the models that offered by
          Icann? Is it model 2b which you supported in the doc you sent
          us? If not then we cannot support it now. I suggest going for
          the highest protection now until we work out something better.
          You can always go down from highest protection to layered
          access etc but for now and since we don't have much time to
          reach consensus I think we can stick to model 3.  I wish you
          had sent us your document sooner so that we could work on it.
          Also your argument for not supporting model 3 in the document
          is not really based on substance it's based on the fact that
          it won't get support in the community. There is a May
          deadline. Community can come up with consensus after the
          deadline on another leas protective model.  but ICANN org
          can't wait! <br>
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        <div dir="auto">I suggest pc members weigh in on this deadline
          is tomorrow and we would like to know our positoon before the
          intersessional.</div>
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          <div>On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:17 AM Stephanie Perrin <<a
              href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
              moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>
            wrote:<br>
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              <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I will try
                    to get the revised comments on the models that have
                    been submitted in before I run for  the plane at 2
                    EDT...but that may not happen.  The legal analysis
                    will come next week, it is a lot harder and more
                    complex....but I want to get my questions on the
                    table.  It will be a long time before this is
                    over....</font></font></p>
              <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">We need to
                    endorse the ECO model very strongly, in my view. 
                    While option 3 looks good, it is rather unworkable.<br>
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              <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers SP</font></font><br>
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              <div class="m_6396244989369319936moz-cite-prefix">On
                2018-01-27 14:09, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br>
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                <div>Thanks Rafik</div>
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                <div>I’m going to hold off on endorsing this for
                  24 hours until I read the comments currently being
                  drafted by Stephanie.  </div>
                <div> <br>
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                <div>To be clear, this is not to say that I do not
                  endorse this statement. It sounds logical to me and
                  consistent with our principles. But if Stephanie has a
                  15-page document coming I’d like to make sure we’re
                  being consistent in our messaging. </div>
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                <div>Of course, being so close to the final day for
                  submissions, I’ll write again on-list tomorrow in the
                  absence of any other statements being on the table, as
                  we cannot miss this submission deadline. </div>
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                <div>Sincere thanks to Milton for drafting this. </div>
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                <div>Best wishes, Ayden</div>
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                    On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 10:50, Rafik Dammak <<a
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                      <div>Hi all,
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                        <div dir="auto">We got a comment for the GDPR
                          compliance model. The deadline for submission
                          ins the 29th Jan, which is the coming monday.
                          We need act quickly within this weekend .</div>
                        <div dir="auto"> <br>
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                        <div dir="auto">Best,</div>
                        <div dir="auto"> <br>
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                        <div dir="auto">Rafik </div>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded
                          message ---------- <br>
                          From: "Mueller, Milton L" <<a
                            href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">milton@gatech.edu</a>>
                          <br>
                          Date: Jan 26, 2018 6:05 PM <br>
                          Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Comments on the Whois
                          compliance models <br>
                          To: <<a
                            href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu</a>>
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                          Cc: <br>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">I offer the
                                  following as a first draft of the NCSG
                                  position on the 12 January 2018 call
                                  for comments released by ICANN org. </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">  </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Principles </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Our evaluation of
                                  the models offered by ICANN are based
                                  on three fundamental principles. No
                                  model that fails to conform to all
                                  three is acceptable to the NCSG. </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">  </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">1. The purpose of
                                  whois must be strictly tied to ICANN's
                                  mission. That is, the data that is
                                  collected and the data that are
                                  published must directly and
                                  demonstrably contribute to ICANN's
                                  mission as defined in Article 1 of its
                                  new bylaws. We reject any definition
                                  of Whois purpose that is based on the
                                  way people happen to make use of data
                                  that can be accessed indiscriminately
                                  in a public directory. The fact that
                                  certain people currently use Whois for
                                  any purpose does not mean that the
                                  purpose of Whois is to provide thick
                                  data about the domain and its
                                  registrant to anyone who wants it for
                                  any reason. </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">  </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">2. Whois service,
                                  like the DNS itself, should be
                                  globally uniform and not vary by
                                  jurisdiction. ICANN was created to
                                  provide globalized governance of the
                                  DNS so that it would continue to be
                                  globally compatible and coordinated.
                                  Any solution that involves fragmenting
                                  the policies and practices of Whois
                                  along jurisdictional lines is not
                                  desirable. </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">  </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">3. No tiered access
                                  solution that involves establishing
                                  new criteria for access can feasibly
                                  be created in the next 3 months. We
                                  would strongly resist throwing the
                                  community into a hopeless rush to come
                                  up with entirely new policies,
                                  standards and practices involving
                                  tiered access to data, and we do not
                                  want ICANN staff to invent a policy
                                  that is not subject to community
                                  review and approval.  </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">  </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Based on these
                                  three principles, we believe that
                                  Model 3 is the only viable option
                                  available. Model 3 minimizes the data
                                  publicly displayed to that which is
                                  required for maintaining the
                                  stability, security and resiliency of
                                  the DNS. Model 3 could be applied
                                  across the board, and would be
                                  presumptively legal regardless of
                                  which jurisdiction the registrar,
                                  registry or registrant are in. And
                                  Model 3 relies on established legal
                                  due process for gaining access to
                                  additional information. </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">  </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">There is room for
                                  discussion about how much data could
                                  be publicly displayed under Model 3
                                  consistent with ICANN's mission. E.g.,
                                  it may be within ICANN's mission to
                                  include additional data in the public
                                  record, such as an email address for
                                  the technical contact and even
                                  possibly the name of the registrant. </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">  </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">The process of
                                  gaining access to additional data in
                                  Model 1 is completely unacceptable.
                                  Self-certification by any third party
                                  requestor is, we believe, not
                                  compliant with GDPR nor does is such
                                  access justified by the purpose of
                                  Whois or ICANN's mission. </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">  </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Model 2 might
                                  possibly be acceptable if an suitable
                                  set of criteria and processes were
                                  devised, but it simply is not feasible
                                  for such a certification program to be
                                  developed in 3 months. A certification
                                  program thrown together in a rush
                                  poses huge risks for loopholes, poor
                                  procedures, and a legal challenge to
                                  ICANN, either from DPAs or from
                                  individuals affected. </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">  </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Dr. Milton L.
                                  Mueller </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Professor, School
                                  of Public Policy </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Georgia Institute
                                  of Technology </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">  </p>
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