<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks Stephanie for raising this issue. We can discuss this and see what we can propose and which policy comment we should consider to monitor in the future. I think this has also many links with the GDPR.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le mar. 16 janv. 2018 à 08:00, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Normally I would not pester the PC with every twitch and stumble
of the RDS working group...but we are now in some important
discussions as to whether law enforcement investigation is a valid
reason for the collection of information in the RDS. We just
actually got a consensus agreement it was NOT....which surprised
me. However, EUROPOL, who was the driving force behind the
dreadful 2007 LE demand for data, is coming out of their corner,
and the IP lawyers will be quick to support. A discussion at our
next policy meeting might be good....I attach the letter from
report which contains the 2009 LEA communications for your
perusal, see page 129 .<br>
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<td>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] @EXT: RE: IMPORTANT: Invitation for
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<td>Mounier, Grégory
<a class="m_3009014289960177855moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gregory.mounier@europol.europa.eu" target="_blank"><gregory.mounier@europol.europa.eu></a></td>
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<td>'Chuck' <a class="m_3009014289960177855moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank"><consult@cgomes.com></a>,
'<a class="m_3009014289960177855moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>'
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Dear all,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify">I will not be
able to join the call tomorrow so I thought that I should drop
an email to the list to explain why I voted against the
proposed possible WG Agreement according to which “<i>Criminal
Activity/DNS Abuse – Investigation is NOT a legitimate
purpose for requiring collection of registration data, but
maybe a legitimate purpose of using some data collected for
other purposes</i>.”<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify">I think that
there are a number of rationales/grounds - including in
ICANN’s Bylaws - to argue that in fact, investigating criminal
activity and DNS Abuse
<b>IS</b> a legitimate purpose for requiring the collection of
registration data.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify">Some of these
rationales have been mentioned during the discussion on the
mailing list and during the call on 9<sup>th</sup> January.
Unfortunately, I think that the proposed possible WG agreement
does not take into consideration these rationales. I
specifically disagree with the assumption that we should make
a distinction between 1) the purpose of collecting the data
and 2) the purpose for using the data collected for other
purposes (manage domain registrations). <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify">The reason why
I disagree with making this distinction is that it leads to
artificially reduce the importance of a valid and legitimate
purpose of the WHOIS system, acknowledged by ICANN Bylaws:
addressing malicious abuse of the DNS and providing a
framework to address appropriate law enforcement needs.
(ICANN’s mandate is to “ensure the stable and secure operation
of the internet’s unique identifier systems”<a href="#m_3009014289960177855__ftn1" name="m_3009014289960177855__ftnref1" title=""><sup><sup><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">[1]</span></sup></sup></a>
+ WHOIS data is essential for “the legitimate needs of law
enforcement” and for “promoting consumer trust.”<a href="#m_3009014289960177855__ftn2" name="m_3009014289960177855__ftnref2" title=""><sup><sup><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">[2]</span></sup></sup></a>
). In its document on the three compliance models issued last
Friday<a href="#m_3009014289960177855__ftn3" name="m_3009014289960177855__ftnref3" title=""><sup><sup><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">[3]</span></sup></sup></a>,
ICANN has explicitly included: addressing the needs of law
enforcement, investigation of cybercrime and DNS abuse as
legitimate purposes of the WHOIS system.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify">If one of the
purpose of the WHOIS system is to support a framework to
address issues involving domain name registrations, including
investigation of cybercrime and DNS abuse, it can be argued
that investigating criminal activity and DNS abuse IS a
legitimate purpose for requiring the collection of
registration data. Likewise, I think that requiring collection
of registration data to prevent crime is NOT beyond ICANN's
mandate because this data is essential for ICANN to fulfil its
mandate. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">I have attached
a list of relevant references supporting this point of view
taken from ICANN’s Bylaws and the GDPR.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none">I hope that
you’ll find this contribution helpful and I’m looking forward
to reading the transcript of the next call
<span style="font-family:Wingdings">J</span>.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify">Best, <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify">Greg<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt;text-align:justify"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">Gregory Mounier<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">Europol<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">European Cybercrime
Centre<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:+31%206%2055782743" value="+31655782743" target="_blank">+31 6 55782743</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> gnso-rds-pdp-wg [<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chuck<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 January 2018 15:21<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] FW: IMPORTANT:
Invitation for Poll from 9 January Meeting<br>
<b>Importance:</b> High<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">The
response to this week’s poll is particularly low so I
strongly encourage more members to respond so that we have
enough data to help us in our meeting next week. Thanks to
those who have already responded.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_3009014289960177855__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> gnso-rds-pdp-wg [</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marika Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Invitation
for Poll from 9 January Meeting<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Dear
all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">In
follow-up to this week’s WG meeting, <b>all RDS PDP WG
Members</b> are encouraged to participate in the following
poll:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/VM6S8YK" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/VM6S8YK</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Responses
should be submitted through the above URL. For offline
reference, a PDF of poll questions can also be found at:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/74580034/Poll-from-9January-Call.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1515544361000&api=v2" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/74580034/Poll-from-9January-Call.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1515544361000&api=v2</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt">
<span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">This poll will close at COB Saturday 13
January. </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Please
note that you <u>must be a WG Member</u> to participate in
polls. If you are a WG Observer wishing to participate in
polls, you must first contact </span><a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">gnso-secs@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> to upgrade to WG
Member.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Best
regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Marika<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Marika Konings<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Vice President, Policy Development Support –
GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
(ICANN) <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Email: </span>
</i><a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">marika.konings@icann.org</span></i></a><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Find out more about the GNSO by taking our </span></i><a href="http://learn.icann.org/courses/gnso" target="_blank"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">interactive
courses</span></i></a><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> and visiting the </span></i><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/sites/gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/presentations/policy-efforts.htm#newcomers" target="_blank"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">GNSO Newcomer
pages</span></i></a><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">. <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
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