<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Hi Rafik and Ayden,<div><br><div>Thank you very much for your remarks and explanation that really helped to better understand the issue. </div><div><br></div><div>I am therefore happy to go with the comment as it stands and can agree that we should push for an outsourced Ombuds office. Also agree with the suggested paragraph with regards to funding for this office.</div><div><br></div><div>With my best regards,</div><div>Arsene<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature"><div>-----------------</div><div>Arsène Tungali,</div><div><a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali">about.me/ArseneTungali</a></div><div>+243 993810967</div><div>GPG: 523644A0</div><div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)</div><div><br>On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:10 PM, Poncelet Ileleji <<a href="mailto:pileleji@ymca.gm">pileleji@ymca.gm</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Thanks Tatiana,<br><br></div>Great work in indeed.<br><br></div>Kind Regards<br><br></div>Poncelet<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 January 2018 at 20:55, Farell Folly <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:farellfolly@gmail.com" target="_blank">farellfolly@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">You are doing a great job.</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le sam. 6 janv. 2018 à 20:08, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <<a href="mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de" target="_blank">t.tropina@mpicc.de</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Dear all,</p>
<p>thanks a lot for your feedback. I will send the clean document to
the NCSG list tomorrow - let's see what the membership input is.</p>
<p>Thanks to all of you - I am happy we have great discussions.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tanya <br>
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<div class="m_3639334304485307645m_-3273114648273688409moz-cite-prefix">On 06/01/18 05:16, Farell Folly wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hello Ayden,</div>
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<div dir="auto">I particularly admire the illustration about the
dutch airline company. It makes sense to me to think about
such an approach for better diversity, flexibility and trust.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Le 6 janv. 2018 3:38 AM, "Ayden
Férdeline" <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> a écrit :<br type="attribution">
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<div>Rafik, many thanks for your thoughtful and
comprehensive reply. I fully agree with your remarks.
ICANN org is not as unique as it likes to think and we
should not be re-inventing the wheel when we do not have
to.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Many private sector entities do not have staff Ombuds.
I recently had an issue with a major Dutch airline, and
when I wanted to escalate the matter further, I could
contact an outsourced 'consumer advocate'. In the UK, I
can escalate my complaint about this airline to my choice
of 3 different, independent consumer advocates who are
paid by the airline and are empowered to investigate the
merits of my complaint. And they speak my native language.
Outsourcing these functions makes sense to me. They have
their own counsel on staff, they offer localized services,
and we benefit from economies of scale, as they can bring
the diversity we want without ICANN needing to employ
full-time staff, as ICANN only pays for billed hours.<br>
<br>
We know from the Ombudsman's reports and investigations
that most complaints that he (and it has always been a he
to-date) deals with are mainly interpersonal disputes.
These are not investigations which require substantial
technical knowledge; there are mediation providers who
specialise in conflict resolution and resolving these very
issues. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To Arsène's comment about budget, to quote a critic of
Margaret Thatcher, she knew the price of everything and
the value of nothing. We should not make the same mistake.
We should not sacrifice the independence of the Ombuds
service - an extremely important accountability function
for the Empowered Community - in order to save a few
dollars (Euros, francs, pesos... insert your currency's
unit here).<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would also like to propose the insertion of the
following language into our comment:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"The Ombuds office must have a budget funded at a level
sufficient to carry out its identified purposes, and will
account for its funds directly to the Empowered Community.
An inadequately funded office will not be able to perform
the functions required by the bylaws, and thus will lack
true independence."<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Another point. In the past, it has been brought to my
attention that the Ombudsman has used ICANN's general
counsel when investigating matters. In my view, the Ombuds
Office must have the authority to hire independent legal
counsel to enforce their powers so that they do not have
to rely on ICANN's general counsel, who may have a
conflict of interest. I imagine this was covered by the
subgroup, but I couldn't find anything just now through a
quick ctrl+f search of the draft recommendations. Does
anyone know if this matter (empowering the Ombuds Office
to hire independent, external counsel) was resolved
already by the subgroup?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Many thanks,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ayden<br>
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<div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Public comment on Ombuds
Office<br>
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<div>Local Time: 5 January 2018 12:41 PM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: 5 January 2018 11:41<br>
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<div>From: <a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><br>
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<div>To: Farell Folly <<a href="mailto:farellfolly@gmail.com" target="_blank">farellfolly@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<div>ncsg-pc <<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Hi,<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">reading the comment itself, I
think it gives a clear rationale for having an office
instead of an individual and highlighting the required
independence of ombudsman.<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">by its mission and function, it
cannot be something in-house or done by an ICANN staff
because there will be dependence toward the
organization and conflict of interest. I do believe
the draft the exact term of "insulate". The same
concern raised when ICANN CEO created a new position
for complaint officers filled by an ICANN staff
supposedly handling complaints against her
colleagues!!! <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">I didn't see that we proposed
specifics such consultant, law firm etc in our comment
(did I miss that?) but just an external organization
which gives enough room for implementation. <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">I don't also think that will
increase substantially the cost or budget (we can
check the current budgeting). by the office, I think
we only mean a unit with enough resourcing and funding
(ensuring again its independence and sustainability)
to do it works but not creating a new organization per
se.<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">there were problems with one
ombudsman (in fact with the first one I think) and due
to his mission, his power and also the possible CCWG
recommendation to expand more his tasks and role, we
need to be careful here. We cannot dismiss the need
for independence. <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">I would also caution about the
narrative that ICANN is unique, multistakeholder
organization etc which is used by ICANN to dismiss
concerns or reject some recommendations. we are
talking here about practices and recommendations
implemented in other spaces and learning from them. I
don't think an ombudsman has to know about DNS or
ICANN PDPs but having expertise in mediating and
resolving conflicts, investigating, applying policies
like anti-harassment. not knowing the actors would
help to prevent bias toward any specific group.<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> <br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div>2018-01-05 18:20 GMT+09:00 Farell Folly <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:farellfolly@gmail.com" target="_blank">farellfolly@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Dear all,<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Internet ecosystem changes so
rapidly and regulatory affairs are very
complex, too. Beware that even having an
office would not prevent ICANN to hire
consultant or external law firm from time to
time, since they will be some topic where the
office will not have sufficient expertise.<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Also having only the option to
contract with external law firm (as needed or
always) without having an office as liaison
between both parties won't be efficient : a
light office (few people) will be needed to
make requests, manage information and
knowledge etc....<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">I am tempted to say that one law
firm is not a good solution for the long term
time since they may lack some expertise and
become excessively expensive for simple
requests. Therefore, I would recommend a light
office composed of few subject matter experts
that can hire external consultant or law firm
when needed and strongly justified (here there
is another challenge : bureaucracy but better
try this in-between solution before the
radical one, i.e putting all the keys in an
external hand)<br>
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<div>Regards<br>
</div>
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<div>Le 5 janv. 2018 09:44, "Arsène
Tungali" <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" target="_blank">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>>
a écrit :<br>
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<div>Dear colleagues,<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> First, let me thank our penholders
for such a great work and for<br>
</div>
<div> having taken the time to go
through the material and provide
through<br>
</div>
<div> this comment valuable inputs.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> I do agree and would encourage us
to push for an Office rather than a<br>
</div>
<div> person for now and see how this
resolves issues of independance and<br>
</div>
<div> transparency. And maybe later on,
push for an external organization if<br>
</div>
<div> we are not satisfied with the
scheme of an office as we are<br>
</div>
<div> suggesting. I think Martin's point
and worries are valid here.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Some of the reasons i vote for an
in-house office are:<br>
</div>
<div> - financial: i think hiring an
external group/organization will cost<br>
</div>
<div> ICANN much more money than keeping
an in-house office to do the same<br>
</div>
<div> job. I may not be right on this
but if this is true, remember we have<br>
</div>
<div> been pushing for cost reduction in
our previous comments. I don't want<br>
</div>
<div> us to be seen as asking to cut
costs and then suggest a scheme that<br>
</div>
<div> will lead ICANN to an increase of
cost.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> - I consider going from an
individual to an external office is a
big<br>
</div>
<div> move/shift, we may be loosing the
chance of experiencing what an<br>
</div>
<div> in-house Office can offer as
innovation to clear our worries and<br>
</div>
<div> concerns. I believe this should be
seen as the next step and later on<br>
</div>
<div> (if need be), to ask for the 3rd
option (an external office).<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> - I also think it is much easier
to fire an in-house team rather than<br>
</div>
<div> an external body and i believe the
ICANN Or and/or the community would<br>
</div>
<div> benefit much from having the
possibility of easily firing this
office<br>
</div>
<div> if need be, rather than attempting
to go through a process of firing<br>
</div>
<div> an entire organization, which can
be hard.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> I strongly agree with most of the
concerns raised such as the one of<br>
</div>
<div> not allowing this Office to be
present at social events. I think this<br>
</div>
<div> can still be enforced even if it
is an in-house team. It is just a<br>
</div>
<div> matter of making it clear to them
that we don't want to see them at<br>
</div>
<div> GEM parties :)<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Please consider these as personal
opinions, with my limited law<br>
</div>
<div> knowledge. And happy to join what
we will decide as a group.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> May I suggest we open this to the
membership by January 7th or so to<br>
</div>
<div> allow them a week to review and
share their thoughts? And then we can<br>
</div>
<div> finalize it?<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Best regards,<br>
</div>
<div> Arsene<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> 2018-01-05 0:38 UTC+02:00, Martin
Pablo Silva Valent <<a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" target="_blank">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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<div> <br>
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<div>> Farzi,<br>
</div>
<div> > My point was also
meant to be for organizations, of
mediator and<br>
</div>
<div> > arbitrators, not only
individuals. And the organizations
with the skills to<br>
</div>
<div> > do something like this are
very far from Family courts
problems, if they do<br>
</div>
<div> > family law for some reason
is about a lot of money being split
rather social<br>
</div>
<div> > problems, they might be
closer to environmental problems,
for instance, or<br>
</div>
<div> > consumer issues, but again,
in both cases commercial and
transactions are<br>
</div>
<div> > usually the way to solve
the problem, and what I said
previously still<br>
</div>
<div> > applies.<br>
</div>
<div> > And it is not true
that is easier to terminate a
contract with a consultant<br>
</div>
<div> > (organization or
individual) than with an employee.
Specially in the US. It<br>
</div>
<div> > is far more easy to fire
one person or a small team for
arbitrary reasons<br>
</div>
<div> > that breaking a contract
with a good law firm (specially a
long term<br>
</div>
<div> > contract). In such case
ICANN might end up negotiating and
exit and<br>
</div>
<div> > gathering the evidence for
a rightful termination is harder
than with your<br>
</div>
<div> > own employees. We have
better chances on controlling the
accountability and<br>
</div>
<div> > transparency of a full time
in house employee than an external
institution<br>
</div>
<div> > that will have several
clients, cases and partner,
employees and providers<br>
</div>
<div> > coming and going. For
instance, we don’t control how they
handle<br>
</div>
<div> > information, and is not as
weird as you may think, big
companies usually get<br>
</div>
<div> > differential treatment,
arbitrators more often than not
shared schools,<br>
</div>
<div> > universities,
neighbourhoods and friends with big
lawyers from firms and<br>
</div>
<div> > companies.<br>
</div>
<div> > I think we can come
up with a system with a third party
solution<br>
</div>
<div> > eventually, but I just
don’t see that it will solve the
problems we have<br>
</div>
<div> > with the in-house solution
and it brings new problems on there
table. I<br>
</div>
<div> > would propose to be more
specific in the this wi would change
to the current<br>
</div>
<div> > situations, but with the
in-house full time scheme.<br>
</div>
<div> ><br>
</div>
<div> > As usual, I will always
support the consensus of the group,
take this as an<br>
</div>
<div> > honest opinion before
closing the matter.<br>
</div>
<div> ><br>
</div>
<div> > Cheers,<br>
</div>
<div> > Martín<br>
</div>
<div> ><br>
</div>
<div> ><br>
</div>
<div> >> On 4 Jan 2018, at
19:24, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<div> >><br>
</div>
<div> >> Martin,<br>
</div>
<div> >><br>
</div>
<div> >> We are suggesting an
organization not a consulting
individual. Ombuds and<br>
</div>
<div> >> mediation service
providers can be trained mediators
that resolve many<br>
</div>
<div> >> disputes (commercial
and noncommercial). Mediation
offices also resolve<br>
</div>
<div> >> divorce disputes which
are highly sensitive and not always
commercial, or<br>
</div>
<div> >> they resolve neighbor
disputes etc. So they don't have to
be focused on<br>
</div>
<div> >> commercial dispute.
Some valid points about arbitration
services but what<br>
</div>
<div> >> we are suggesting does
not have to be an arbitration
provider nor a law<br>
</div>
<div> >> firm.<br>
</div>
<div> >><br>
</div>
<div> >> As to knowledge about
DNS and multistakeholder model, that
can be gained.<br>
</div>
<div> >> As it was gained by
previous ombuds persons at ICANN.<br>
</div>
<div> >><br>
</div>
<div> >> As to easier to detect
an in-house ombudsman misbehaving:
ok, we can<br>
</div>
<div> >> argue over this but
even if that is the case I don't
think it's easier to<br>
</div>
<div> >> cancel someone's
contract whose livelihood is
dependent on it than to end<br>
</div>
<div> >> a contract with an
organization.<br>
</div>
<div> >><br>
</div>
<div> >> Farzaneh<br>
</div>
<div> >><br>
</div>
<div> >> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at
11:23 AM, Martin Pablo Silva Valent<br>
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<mailto:<a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" target="_blank">mpsilvavalent@gmail.<wbr>com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
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<div> >> Tati and Ayden,<br>
</div>
<div> >> I personally I’ve
not made up my mind that a third
party, a consultant,<br>
</div>
<div> >> is going to guarantee
independence in the Ombudsman role.
Most of<br>
</div>
<div> >> arbitrators, law firm
or other organizations with the
background to do<br>
</div>
<div> >> this are heavily
business sided or, unaware of the
multi stakeholder<br>
</div>
<div> >> model, DNS and Internet
Governance in general. It is far
more easy to<br>
</div>
<div> >> detect an in-house
ombudsman misbehaving than an
outsider you only see in<br>
</div>
<div> >> a room or in an email.
Even if we found someone big and
neutral enough,<br>
</div>
<div> >> the big ones will
always have more access to them
than the res of us.<br>
</div>
<div> >> Business, law
firms and governments will always
try as hard as they can<br>
</div>
<div> >> to bend the process and
lobby, we are not going to change
that and we for<br>
</div>
<div> >> sure can keep up with
it, but if that lobby is forced to
be done in the<br>
</div>
<div> >> inside of icann, with
someone that is solely dedicated to
the ombudsman<br>
</div>
<div> >> role and who’s
socializing is openly known and
transparent, that cannot<br>
</div>
<div> >> hide behind
appointments or emails, the is far
more easy for us to notice,<br>
</div>
<div> >> point out and document.<br>
</div>
<div> >> I do agree with
the critics that the role has become
much more demanding<br>
</div>
<div> >> and important, and the
current way it is built is outdated
to the size and<br>
</div>
<div> >> role of ICANN,
specially after the IANA Transition.
So we should demand<br>
</div>
<div> >> for more documentation,
deeper informs, more transparency
and more rules<br>
</div>
<div> >> and procedures, not so
much for complaints, but for the
ombudsman itself.<br>
</div>
<div> >><br>
</div>
<div> >><br>
</div>
<div> >> Cheers,<br>
</div>
<div> >> Martín<br>
</div>
<div> >><br>
</div>
<div> >><br>
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<div> >>> On 4 Jan 2018, at
12:23, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a><br>
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<div> >>> Thanks for this,
Tanya. I've made some minor edits to
the document now,<br>
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<div> >>> making the language
a little more forceful, where
appropriate, and also<br>
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<div> >>> expanding upon the
third point. Thanks for considering
accepting them.<br>
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<div> >>><br>
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<div> >>> —Ayden<br>
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<div> >>><br>
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<div> >>>> --------
Original Message --------<br>
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<div> >>>> Subject:
[NCSG-PC] Public comment on Ombuds
Office<br>
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<div> >>>> Local Time: 4
January 2018 4:07 PM<br>
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<div> >>>> UTC Time: 4
January 2018 15:07<br>
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<div>>>>> From: <a href="mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de" target="_blank">t.tropina@mpicc.de</a>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de" target="_blank">t.tropina@mpicc.de</a>><br>
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<div> >>>> To: ncsg-pc
<<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>><wbr>><br>
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<div> >>>><br>
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<div> >>>> Dear all,<br>
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<div> >>>><br>
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<div> >>>> Farzaneh and I
drafted a comment on the
CCWG-Accountability Work Stream<br>
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<div> >>>> 2 (WS2) draft
recommendations on the ICANN Ombuds
Office (IOO). The<br>
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<div> >>>> call<br>
</div>
<div> >>>> for comment and
all the documents related to it
could be found here:<br>
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<div> >>>> <a rel="noreferrer" href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/ioo-recs-2017-11-10-en" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/public-<wbr>comments/ioo-recs-2017-11-10-<wbr>en</a><br>
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<div>>>>> <<a rel="noreferrer" href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/ioo-recs-2017-11-10-en" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/public-<wbr>comments/ioo-recs-2017-11-10-<wbr>en</a>>.<br>
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<div> >>>> Our draft is
here:<br>
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<div> >>>> <a rel="noreferrer" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LrMcu3zsTTyk1DG-2dbBMgzwjjxYxl-aHaYIS-iIGpQ/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/1LrMcu3zsTTyk1DG-<wbr>2dbBMgzwjjxYxl-aHaYIS-iIGpQ/<wbr>edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
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<div> >>>> <<a rel="noreferrer" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LrMcu3zsTTyk1DG-2dbBMgzwjjxYxl-aHaYIS-iIGpQ/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/1LrMcu3zsTTyk1DG-<wbr>2dbBMgzwjjxYxl-aHaYIS-iIGpQ/<wbr>edit?usp=sharing</a>><br>
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<div> >>>><br>
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<div> >>>> I will share
the document with the list in the
incoming days, would be<br>
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<div> >>>> grateful if PC
comments and amends it first -- or
at least if you let<br>
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<div> >>>> us, the
penholders, know that you are
comfortable with it. The deadline<br>
</div>
<div> >>>> is 14th of
January, so we have some time, but
would be great if it<br>
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<div> >>>> remains open
for comments from our membership,
too.<br>
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<div> >>>><br>
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<div> >>>> Cheers,<br>
</div>
<div> >>>><br>
</div>
<div> >>>> Tanya<br>
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<div> >>>><br>
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<div> >>>><br>
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