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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">THanks, this is very helpful.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">cheers STephanie</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">PS meeting yesterday was a non-event, too many absentees<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> January 5, 2018 7:45:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stephanie Perrin<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ncsg-pc<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Re: Attendance and recording: GNSO Council Drafting Team Charter ICANN Procedure for Handling Whois Conflicts Monday 18 December 2017 at 20:00 UTC</font>
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<div class="x_gmail_extra">Hi Stephanie,</div>
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<div class="x_gmail_extra">Thanks,</div>
<div class="x_gmail_extra">if I am not mistaking the drafting group is tasked to provide a charter for a possible new IAG to handle the comments receive and see how to accommodate that with the previous implementation. so I guess the focus would be in term
of the process here, the charter list 3 options. all are open compared to the previous IAG iteration. however, I would be concerned with CCWG and GNSO review models due to the question of representation from SG/C compared to an open model. the 2 first models
have appointed representatives which may give a weight in term of decision-making. I have less concerns with Chair selection models, while I won't support IRT one with GDD manager as chair. </div>
<div class="x_gmail_extra">I don't see any specific concern with the mission and scope. </div>
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<div class="x_gmail_extra">Best,</div>
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<div class="x_gmail_extra">Rafik</div>
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<div class="x_gmail_quote">2018-01-04 4:55 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>></span>:<br>
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<p>Hi folks, <br>
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<p>I volunteered for the small drafting team at council who are working on the development of a new charter for an Implementation Advisory Group for the WHOIS conflicts with law. I was on the IAG for the last trigger discussion, and submitted a dissenting
opinion. The DPAs declared this whole thing a nonsense, in their last comments on the procedure. If you have any comments on this procedure that you wish me to convey, please let me know....next meeting is tomorrow.</p>
<p>Cheers Stephanie<br>
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<td>Marika Konings <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">
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<td>Steve Chan <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:steve.chan@icann.org" target="_blank">
<steve.chan@icann.org></a>, Nathalie Peregrine <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nathalie.peregrine@icann.org" target="_blank">
<nathalie.peregrine@icann.org></a><wbr>, Heather Forrest <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" target="_blank">
<haforrestesq@gmail.com></a>, <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">
kdrazek@verisign.com</a> <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">
<kdrazek@verisign.com></a>, icannlists <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:icannlists@winston.com" target="_blank">
<icannlists@winston.com></a>, Stephanie Perrin <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">
<stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca></a>, Michele Blacknight <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">
<michele@blacknight.com></a>, Pam Little <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com" target="_blank">
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Dear All,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal">Best wishes for 2018!<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal">In preparation for tomorrow’s meeting, please find below as a reminder the notes & action items from the last meeting. Attached you will find the draft charter as originally circulated. If you already have any feedback / input from your
respective groups that you would like to share ahead of the meeting, please share with this list.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal">Marika<u></u><u></u></p>
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</b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Steve Chan <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:steve.chan@icann.org" target="_blank">
<steve.chan@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, December 18, 2017 at 22:03<br>
<b>To: </b>Nathalie Peregrine <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nathalie.peregrine@icann.org" target="_blank">
<nathalie.peregrine@icann.org></a><wbr>, Heather Forrest <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" target="_blank">
<haforrestesq@gmail.com></a>, <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">
"kdrazek@verisign.com"</a> <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">
<kdrazek@verisign.com></a>, icannlists <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:icannlists@winston.com" target="_blank">
<icannlists@winston.com></a>, Stephanie Perrin <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">
<stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca></a>, Michele Blacknight <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">
<michele@blacknight.com></a>, Pam Little <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com" target="_blank">
<pam.little@alibaba-inc.com></a>, Marika Konings <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">
<marika.konings@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank">"gnso-secs@icann.org"</a>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: Attendance and recording: GNSO Council Drafting Team Charter ICANN Procedure for Handling Whois Conflicts Monday 18 December 2017 at 20:00 UTC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Further, please find some informal notes and actions items that staff collected during the course of the meeting. The recording of course is the authoritative record.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Best,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Steve</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">GNSO Council Drafting Team <wbr>call to discuss the draft <wbr>Charter concerning ICANN <wbr>Procedure for Handling Whois <wbr>Conflicts on Monday 18 18 <wbr>December 2017 at 2000 UTC</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Notes/Action Items:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Heather to serve as <wbr>facilitator/champion for this <wbr>process, but in a neutral way.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Keith happy to hold pen <wbr>and can rely on Marc Anderson <wbr>for IAG context.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- What's process for the <wbr>draft charter? Staff role to <wbr>develop? What's available now <wbr>is the standard template with <wbr>key questions flagged and <wbr>possible options. Should <wbr>take care in drafting charter <wbr>as it could serve as <wbr>precedent for future review <wbr>efforts.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- The procedure is a matter <wbr>of implementation No standard <wbr>procedure for reviewing an <wbr>implementation of GNSO <wbr>adopted resolutions.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Look forward to getting <wbr>input from Michele and <wbr>Stephanie.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Discussion could begin on <wbr>this call, help ensure that <wbr>this effort does not repeat <wbr>inability to reach conclusion <wbr>the first go around.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Keep scope and timeline <wbr>narrow</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- What's the current <wbr>situation? What is the <wbr>subsequent group expected to <wbr>accomplish? <b>Marika Konings: </b>th<wbr>e procedure has been updated <wbr>with a new trigger, per the <wbr>recommendations of the <wbr>previous IAG. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- The recommendations of the <wbr>subsequent group would be in <wbr>reference to an already <wbr>implemented policy. The <wbr>recommendations would be <wbr>treated differently than a <wbr>PDP then,.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Question: is the <wbr>implementation, or suggested <wbr>modifications, consistent <wbr>with the underlying policy <wbr>recommendations? Or is <wbr>additional policy work needed?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Most focus has been on the <wbr>trigger. Some review of the <wbr>subsequent steps after <wbr>triggering may be important.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- This process will help <wbr>provide guidance for the <wbr>future to understand roles of <wbr>community and staff.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- How does GDPR fit into <wbr>this exercise as it relates <wbr>to Whois? The current trigger <wbr>does seem to fit under GDPR, <wbr>but is an unattractive option.<wbr> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> -- There is GDPR-specific <wbr>relief (e.g., relief against <wbr>compliance). Problem of the <wbr>day.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> -- And there is relief <wbr>related to ANY local privacy <wbr>law, more generically. The <wbr>trigger(s) being explored are <wbr>not GDPR specific.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- The scope of this review, <wbr>is it just limited to <wbr>focusing on Whois? It seems <wbr>to be the case: <b>Marika <wbr>Konings: </b>From the underlying <wbr>policy recommendations: In <wbr>order to facilitate <wbr>reconciliation of any <wbr>conflicts between local/<wbr>national mandatory privacy <wbr>laws or regulations and <wbr>applicable provisions of the <wbr>ICANN contract regarding the <wbr>collection, display and <wbr>distribution of personal data <wbr>via Whois, ICANN should.......</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- The trigger of going to a <wbr>national regulator does not <wbr>seem to be working. Explore <wbr>an additional trigger(s) to <wbr>initiate waiver process.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Is there evidence of the <wbr>trigger not working? Or are <wbr>CP just unwilling to write to <wbr>national regulators to ask if <wbr>they are violating local law? <wbr>It seems to require an <wbr>admission of guilt to get the <wbr>waiver.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- There is some interest in <wbr>reviewing the underlying the <wbr>policy, which would require a <wbr>different process. That might <wbr>be what has caused this topic <wbr>to linger on Council list.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Public comment provides <wbr>possible issues with <wbr>alternative trigger. Seems to <wbr>imply that you must already <wbr>be in violation to utilize <wbr>waiver.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Could limit the scope of <wbr>what is reviewed (e.g., the <wbr>public comment and Akram <wbr>letter). And also note that <wbr>if policy issues are <wbr>uncovered, that they would be <wbr>resolved through another <wbr>mechanism.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Whatever recommendations <wbr>this IAG would put forth to <wbr>Council, the Council would <wbr>need to confirm that they are <wbr>not inconsistent with <wbr>underlying policy <wbr>recommendations.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Could group also explore <wbr>other ideas beyond previous <wbr>IAG? Should avoid just <wbr>repeating the outcomes of <wbr>previous IAG.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- How to narrow scope? Start <wbr>with public comments? </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Keith Drazek: </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">(1) Review <wbr>current implementation; (2) <wbr>re-consider previous triggers <wbr>not agreed to; (3) consider <wbr>other possible triggers not <wbr>previously considered; (4) <wbr>review everything based on <wbr>existing public comments.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Other areas of focus: <wbr>objectives and goals, <wbr>membership (seems like it <wbr>should include those outside <wbr>Council), chair selection (<wbr>could follow from group <wbr>composition), group formation,<wbr> dependencies, and <wbr>dissolution (also follow from <wbr>group/review team composition)<wbr>, decision-making (also <wbr>dependent).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Key questions are scope <wbr>and composition. Take these <wbr>to respective SG/Cs.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Agreement that composition <wbr>is paramount and drives many <wbr>other elements (chair, staff <wbr>support). Will the group <wbr>operate more like an IRT or <wbr>WG? Who serves as the lead (e.<wbr>g., staff or community)?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-- Hopefully table for <wbr>January meeting (20 Jan <wbr>document and motions deadline)<wbr>.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">ACTION: Take draft charter to <wbr>respective SG/Cs and convene <wbr>again in early January?</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">ACTION: Set up Doodle for <wbr>early Jan or week of the 8th.</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Nathalie Peregrine <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nathalie.peregrine@icann.org" target="_blank">
<nathalie.peregrine@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, December 18, 2017 at 12:55 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Heather Forrest <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" target="_blank">
<haforrestesq@gmail.com></a>, <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">
"kdrazek@verisign.com"</a> <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">
<kdrazek@verisign.com></a>, icannlists <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:icannlists@winston.com" target="_blank">
<icannlists@winston.com></a>, Stephanie Perrin <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">
<stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca></a>, Michele Blacknight <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">
<michele@blacknight.com></a>, Pam Little <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com" target="_blank">
<pam.little@alibaba-inc.com></a>, Marika Konings <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">
<marika.konings@icann.org></a>, Steve Chan <a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:steve.chan@icann.org" target="_blank">
<steve.chan@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank">"gnso-secs@icann.org"</a>
<a class="x_m_647816598875880141moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank">
<gnso-secs@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Attendance and recording: GNSO Council Drafting Team Charter ICANN Procedure for Handling Whois Conflicts Monday 18 December 2017 at 20:00 UTC</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Dear all, <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Please find below the AC recording, attendance and AC chat transcript of the GNSO Council Drafting Team call to discuss the draft Charter concerning ICANN Procedure for Handling Whois Conflicts scheduled on Monday 18 December 2017 at
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b>AC Recording</b>: <a href="https://participate.icann.org/p2q6sp8ir36/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=da98784bd396b38e57f1d982b189a0a8f647aa1f7e8f2c7c1c2566602aaf4d91" target="_blank">
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b>Attendance:</b> Pam Little, Keith Drazek, Heather Forrest, Paul McGrady,
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b>Apology:</b> Michele Neylon<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DA">Staff:</span></b><span lang="DA"> Marika Konings, Steve Chan, Nathalie Peregrine</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b>AC Chat</b>:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the GNSO Council Drafting Team call to discuss the draft Charter concerning ICANN Procedure for Handling Whois Conflicts on Monday 18 December 2017 at 2000 UTC<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Nathalie Peregrine:Public Comment: Revised ICANN Procedure for Handling WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Law: Process and Next Steps: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_public-2Dcomments_whois-2Dprivacy-2Dlaw-2D2017-2D05-2D03-2Den&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=5xenFICRdRkSUfvjRkSPDPi2nqmjNR9z40DOTbddJVM&s=adugQauUKQvuUEMdEec1VcDBdyG9osdhkqinwHG6ad0&e=" target="_blank">https://urldefense.<wbr>proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-<wbr>3A__www.icann.org_public-<wbr>2Dcomments_whois-2Dprivacy-<wbr>2Dlaw-2D2017-2D05-2D03-2Den&d=<wbr>DwICaQ&c=<wbr>FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6<wbr>sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_<wbr>FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsy<wbr>XrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_<wbr>uTSDzgqG&m=<wbr>5xenFICRdRkSUfvjRkSPDPi2nqmjNR<wbr>9z40DOTbddJVM&s=<wbr>adugQauUKQvuUEMdEec1VcDBdyG9os<wbr>dhkqinwHG6ad0&e=</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Nathalie Peregrine:Letter from Akram Atallah to GNSO Council re the Revised ICANN Procedure for Handling Whois Conflicts with Privacy Law: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_correspondence_atallah-2Dto-2Dbladel-2Det-2Dal-2D01aug17-2Den.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=5xenFICRdRkSUfvjRkSPDPi2nqmjNR9z40DOTbddJVM&s=ynH32qa5Y9sFgNk_mo6bzIjPiNm0dL5Sc3B1RWP0UJo&e=" target="_blank">https://urldefense.<wbr>proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-<wbr>3A__gnso.icann.org_en_<wbr>correspondence_atallah-2Dto-<wbr>2Dbladel-2Det-2Dal-2D01aug17-<wbr>2Den.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=<wbr>FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6<wbr>sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_<wbr>FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsy<wbr>XrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_<wbr>uTSDzgqG&m=<wbr>5xenFICRdRkSUfvjRkSPDPi2nqmjNR<wbr>9z40DOTbddJVM&s=<wbr>ynH32qa5Y9sFgNk_<wbr>mo6bzIjPiNm0dL5Sc3B1RWP0UJo&e=</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Pam Little:Hi Everyone<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Marika Konings:Staff could put this into the form of a google doc and have you provide comments / edits on the different sections? <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Marika Konings:Note that an update on this topic has also been foreseen for Thursday's Council meeting that would allow you to flag certain items for Council input, which may help inform your subsequent deliberations and decision on
some of the items outlined in the document. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Pam Little:I will try to dial in by phone<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Pam Little:Please carry out for a moment<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Nathalie Peregrine:You need to activate your AC mic, by clicking on the telehpne icon at the top of the toolbar<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Nathalie Peregrine:this will also allow you to dial out to yourself should you prefer to connect via the phone.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Marika Konings:the procedure has been updated with a new trigger, per the recommendations of the previous IAG.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Marika Konings:my understanding is that the procedure is intended for individual registries / registrars, while the current discussion seems to deal with almost all contracted parties<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Marika Konings:I guess the question is also whether GDPR is considered a 'local law'?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:I'm in Adobe now. Apologies<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Heather Forrest:Great Keith - thanks<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Marika Konings:I believe the underlying policy only focuses on WHOIS<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Heather Forrest:I understood that we were dealing specifically with WHOIS conflicts?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:It's focused on WHOIS and conflicts with national privacy laws, correct?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Marika Konings:From the underlying policy recommendations: In order to facilitate reconciliation of any conflicts between local/national mandatory privacy laws or regulations and applicable provisions of the ICANN contract regarding
the collection, display and distribution of personal data via Whois, ICANN should.......<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:Thanks Marika<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Marika Konings:so it is limited to WHOIS<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:Yes<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Pam Little:That's what I thought too<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Marika Konings:For those interested in reviewing the original report that forms the basis for the procedure: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_issues_tf-2Dfinal-2Drpt-2D25oct05.htm&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=5xenFICRdRkSUfvjRkSPDPi2nqmjNR9z40DOTbddJVM&s=FztMCfR9oT5btckkoo2gqrwFNOiZ9GJ3kDs5ChhSVhg&e=" target="_blank">https://urldefense.<wbr>proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-<wbr>3A__gnso.icann.org_en_issues_<wbr>tf-2Dfinal-2Drpt-2D25oct05.<wbr>htm&d=DwICaQ&c=<wbr>FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6<wbr>sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_<wbr>FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsy<wbr>XrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_<wbr>uTSDzgqG&m=<wbr>5xenFICRdRkSUfvjRkSPDPi2nqmjNR<wbr>9z40DOTbddJVM&s=<wbr>FztMCfR9oT5btckkoo2gqrwFNOiZ9G<wbr>J3kDs5ChhSVhg&e=</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Paul McGrady:Got it. Retracting my prior comment about how broad this is. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Heather Forrest:Thanks, Marika, for that link to the original report. I intend to re-read that this week.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Heather Forrest:+1 Keith re focus on trigger <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Heather Forrest:It's in drifting discussion away from the trigger that we've gotten bogged down on this in Council for the past year and a half or so... this is NOT about the underlying policy<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Pam Little:Thank you all for the comments and clarifications.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:Totally agree, this is not GDPR-specific at all.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Marika Konings:If you review the report of public comments, you'll find some feedback on possible issues with the alternative trigger. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:I don't think we want to re-open the policy. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:The CPH thinks that the policy is solid, it's just the current implementation needs adjustment.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Heather Forrest:@Marika - good suggestion to ask the group to work with the public comments<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:Thanks Marika, very helpful.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:(1) Review current implementation; (2) re-consider previous triggers not agreed to; (3) consider other possible triggers not previously considered; (4) review everything based on existing public comments.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Marika Konings:we may need to further emphasize in the charter that the trigger is just the first step in the procedure, there are quite a few steps that follow to make sure that everyone is clear on that. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:Agreed Heather re composition<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Marika Konings:note there are also a couple of options you may want to consider for composition / representation<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:Thanks Marika, that's important for the precedent-setting nature of our work. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:@Marika, are those options in the document staff developed? Apologies for not knowing<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Heather Forrest:OK - let's focus our attention for charter on (1) scope/objective and (2) composition, and take input from our respective SG/Cs on these two key points<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:Let's do early the week of the 8th<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:+1 Paul<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Heather Forrest:I agree Keith - doc deadline should be around the 20th<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Marika Konings:is it helpful to put this in a google doc format to facilitate your input or you prefer to share feedback via email?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Nathalie Peregrine:Doc deadline is the 20th jan.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Marika Konings:makes sense :-)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Nathalie Peregrine:Of course.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:Sounds like a plan. Thanks to staff for prepping the document that I need to review more carefully. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Keith Drazek:Thanks Heather!<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Pam Little:Thanks everyone. Bye now<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Marika Konings:thanks all<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Heather Forrest:Thanks everyone<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="DA">Kind regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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