<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div>I am not very good at this so will avoid any substantive comment and will also agree with what we will agree on as a group. <br></div><div><br></div><div>My feeling and quick reaction would be submit something (as a way to encourage the volunteer who at least read the material and offered to comment) and if at all possible, add more text on it to make a strong comment. <br><br>I saw the few comments (discussion) on the doc and i have the impression that these can be expanded (if anyone wants to) and be included in our text, they can make it stronger and ready to be submitted. Also, i believe we can just share our worries and feelings in form of questions or so which might help our reader to think further on how to deal with this budget question. I don't know whether this can be helpful than not submitting anything at all. I understand we cannot ask for clarification because it is too late.<br><br></div>Finally, if we decide not to submit this, may i request that we write to the penholder and explain to him why we are not submitting this one and offer him suggestions on how he could have done better? This will be more encouraging to him and show him that he can step forward again for future opportunities. I am sure our PC Chair will be able to do this.<br><br></div>Thanks,<br></div>Arsene<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>------------------------<br>*<a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali" target="_blank"><b>Arsène Tungali</b></a>*<br></div>Co-Founder & Executive Director, <span><i><a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org" target="_blank">Rudi international</a></i>,</span><br>CEO,<i> <a href="http://www.smart-serv.info" target="_blank">Smart Services Sarl</a></i>, <i><a href="http://www.mabingwa-forum.com" target="_blank">Mabingwa Forum</a></i> <br>Tel: +243 993810967<i><br></i></div><div>GPG: 523644A0<i><br></i></div><div><u>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</u><i><br><br></i></div><div><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" target="_blank">2015 Mandela Washington Felllow</a> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors" target="_blank">Brazil</a> & <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors" target="_blank">Mexico</a>) <font face="monospace,monospace">- <a href="http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/" target="_blank">AFRISIG 2016</a> - </font><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com" target="_blank">Blogger</a> - ICANN's <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm" target="_blank">GNSO Council</a> Member.<i> </i>AFRINIC Fellow<i> </i>(<a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners" target="_blank">Mauritius</a>)<i> - </i><a href="http://www.igfsa.org/" target="_blank">IGFSA Member</a> - Internet Governance - Internet Freedom.<i> </i><br><br>Check the <i>2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC</i> report (<a href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234" target="_blank">English</a>) and (<a href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242" target="_blank">French</a>)<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-11-27 12:02 GMT+02:00 Rafik Dammak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">hi,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I am not sure that a "thin" comment is a reason to not submit it (at least a good practice for us to cover all public comments as much as possible).</div><div class="gmail_extra">anyway, the deadline passed already (and we didn't ask for an extension) and I think we have at least to inform as PC to Abdul who volunteered to draft about such decision.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">2017-11-26 22:40 GMT+00:00 Martin Pablo Silva Valent <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" target="_blank">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div class="h5"><div>I don’t have a strong opinion here, by intuition I would submit the proposal to state that this is something we are interested to follow, even if just symbolic. However, I trust more in the better judgment and experience of the group that my gut. So if everyone is ok with Ayden and Steph proposal, I’ll support it as well. </div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Martín</div></div></div><div><div class="m_2098840215910483719h5"><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="h5"><div>On Nov 26, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoront<wbr>o.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_2098840215910483719m_-6910151011978634517Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div><div>
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><div class="h5"><p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I agree, I think it is
very thin. Better to say let it pass than to not say anything
of real substance.</font></font></p><p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
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<div>Yes, that is what I am suggesting, sorry I wasn't clearer. I
think we can be silent on this issue and I therefore propose not
submitting a comment.</div>
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<div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget<br>
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<div>Local Time: 26 November 2017 4:03 PM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: 26 November 2017 16:03<br>
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<div>I think is fine, I for sure couldn't add more with what I
know. If you want to submit it I support it. Ayden, are you
proposing to let it pass and not submit anything?<br>
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<div>On 26 Nov 2017 12:45, "Ayden Férdeline" <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
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<div>Hi,<br>
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<div>I think this comment is too thin to submit, and
unfortunately we have missed the deadline to ask
clarifying questions that would support a comment with
more substance.<br>
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<div>Best wishes,<br>
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<div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and
IANA budget<br>
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<div>Local Time: 25 November 2017 10:40 PM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: 25 November 2017 22:40<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Hi all,<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">it is a reminder that we need
to review this comment for endorsement.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">the deadline for submission
is the 26th November<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br>
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<div>2017-11-20 18:36 GMT+00:00 Rafik Dammak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Hi all,<br>
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<div>one of our new members, Abdul Sabor,
reviewed the PTI & IANA budgets report
and drafted a short comment for NCSG <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BS08Cq8b9HeosbBBZD4E9cBJBlwduJvu7KPR45oGsOw/edit" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/d<wbr>ocument/d/1BS08Cq8b9HeosbBBZD4<wbr>E9cBJBlwduJvu7KPR45oGsOw/edit</a>
. Can you please review it asap. While the
PTI budget is not impacting us directly, I
think it is important to comment it anyway.
the reports are here <span class="m_2098840215910483719TSRSpan" id="m_2098840215910483719TSRSpan_14"><img class="m_2098840215910483719TSRWebRatingIcon" style="width:16px;height:16px;border:0px"></span><a href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-pti-iana-fy19-2017-10-09-en" style="background-color:rgb(184,234,184)" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/pub<wbr>lic-comments/draft-pti-iana-fy<wbr>19-2017-10-09-en</a><br>
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<div>the deadline for submitting the comment
is the 26th November.<br>
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<div>Best,<br>
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