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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Very nice edit.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie.</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-10-14 13:39, Martin Pablo Silva
Valent wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:5D16C0C0-B5C8-440D-8BAE-31A6A9DEE2E7@gmail.com">
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class="">
<div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom:
0pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">I won’t mess the document, so I put it here: </span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">I basically took out two phrases: the one were it says we would apply to DP authorities, and the ending were it says we would go to court.</span></div>
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<div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom:
0pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><font class=""
face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">This is strong and vague enough for us to do whatever we feel necessary and we outline the hard-risk real risk of ignoring GDPR (a subtle hint if you may).</span></font></div>
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<div style="line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom:
0pt; text-align: justify;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">"As active stakeholders in the ICANN multistakeholder community, we want to participate in the policy changes which will see ICANN come into compliance with data protection law after a 19-year record of sweeping it under the rug. However, if we are excluded from the process, and feel that once again certain stakeholders with everything to gain and nothing to lose from the collection of end-user data are getting the ear of senior management, whilst we get the cold shoulder, we are afraid that we will have to take all actions at our disposal </span><font
class="" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">regarding ICANN’s continued, 19-year streak of non-compliance with data protection law. As we are sure you are aware, the new GDPR gives individuals the right to sue the Data Protection Authorities for failure to protect end-user rights, which </span><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">ultimately will impact in the DNS use and ICANN itself."</span></font></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Cheers,</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Martín</span></div>
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<div class="">On Oct 14, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Ayden Férdeline
<<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">Hi Martin,<br class="">
<br class="">
Thank you very much for reviewing the draft letter. I
appreciate you taking the time. Could I please ask that
you edit the Google Doc directly and massage the final
paragraph, so that you are happy with it? I think we do
need to be forceful and punch back. I disagree that we
should only go through the GAC or follow GNSO processes to
be heard. We are, by design, being excluded from the
conversation on this issue, and a flaw in the
multistakeholder model has become apparent (at least to
me). I think we should avail ourselves of all legal
avenues through which we can seek a resolution to gTLD
policies so to protect fundamental rights, such as the
right to privacy. To box ourselves in and to forever
subject ourselves only to a process flawed by design
would, I think, be a mistake. Thanks again.<br class="">
<br class="">
Best wishes, Ayden </div>
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<div class="">Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft] Letter to
ICANN re: BC and IPC correspondence<br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Local Time: 14 October 2017 4:38 PM<br
class="">
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<div class="">UTC Time: 14 October 2017 15:38<br class="">
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<div class="">From: <a
href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a><br
class="">
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<div class="">To: Ayden Férdeline <<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br
class="">
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<div class="">Stephanie Perrin <<a
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>,
<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a> <<a
href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>><br
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<div class="">To help this letter hit the spot, is already
perfect, but for the last paragraph:<br class="">
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<div class="">1) Threatening to go with a public official
NCSG campaign with State agencies of Europe to hit
ICANN, to force the MS model, is a very bad idea. As
NCSG, we should only go to governments through the GAC
and keep using our GNSO procedures to complain if we are
being left out. Going berserk on ICANN with borrowed
state power breaks the whole model, something that is
way beyond what we need to do in this case. It’s a
dangerous precedent. Why Europe? What about other
jurisdictions? other states? We can still coordinate
with the GAC, and as non-commercial activists we can do
public campaigns and state claims in defense of our
rights, but it should not be an NCSG action. We have
procedures to escalate the problem inside the model,
let’s use them fearless. Let’s call the ombudsman, keep
writing to the board, fill the open mic, massively go
into working group coordinating our members, etc (we
have councilors!). Asking data protection agencies to
put pressure for us, in NCSG name, outside the process
we set for ourselves is not ok, is a pandora box of
precedent.<br class="">
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<div class="">2) Even if we all agree that NCSG should ask
a governmental agency to put it’s nose in the GNSO
process, which I am NOT saying we do, the paragraph hits
a big brick wall of rhetoric problems. If you read the
letter, the letter is perfect, is reasonable, is harsh,
it makes you blush to think the issue is at such a poor
situation. Is backed by other stakeholder, opposite to
you. Once you read the threat you loose all the
communication bridges you build before in the letter.
Anyone with some knowledge of the GNSO will stop
thinking on the ICANN problem of addressing GDPR, they
will read that NCSG is threatening, to go to EU to force
ICANN, and the multistakeholder model. <br class="">
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<div class="">3) The letter is perfect, we do need a punch
in the last paragraph that states both our level of
concern, alert and the demand to be heard. But we should
threaten to use either specific tools of the ICANN
Process, or a vague thing that allows us to afterward
choose the best tool.<br class="">
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<div class="">Cheers,<br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Martín<br class="">
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<div class="">On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:55 PM, Ayden
Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="">
<div class="">Hi Martin, thank you very much for
this feedback. I take it on board and hear what
you are saying. However, I am afraid that I do
disagree. I think we need to be forceful. From
what I understand we have been ignored and
sidelined for 19 years. I think it is important we
punch back and let ICANN know that we are serious
about being able to input into this conversation,
or <i class="">we will</i> avail ourselves of
alternative mechanisms. To that end, we will need
to start thinking about campaign tactics too --
that is something I have been thinking about for
next year; what are the next steps, when do we
launch, and what do we need? I think the time for
diplomacy was a year ago (or longer), and now is
the time for action.<br class="">
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<div class="">Warm wishes, Ayden <br class="">
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<div class="">Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft]
Letter to ICANN re: BC and IPC correspondence<br
class="">
</div>
<div class="">Local Time: 13 October 2017 10:49 PM<br
class="">
</div>
<div class="">UTC Time: 13 October 2017 21:49<br
class="">
</div>
<div class="">From: <a
href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a><br
class="">
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<div class="">To: Ayden Férdeline <<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br
class="">
</div>
<div class="">Stephanie Perrin <<a
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>,
<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>
<<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>><br
class="">
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<div class="">I’ve been following the doc, it
looks great. I would be much more mellow and
diplomatic in the las paragraph, not threaten
things, like going public with a campaign with
data protection agencies. I think we shouldn’t
promote agencies as policeman of ICANN, I
understand we are waiving that in the event the
multi-stakeholder model fails to include as as
stakeholder, yet, I wouldn’t set that as
precedent and I do not recommend to make it
before the actual exclusion of the process
happen, much less by by written official
letter. <br class="">
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</div>
<div class="">I do believe that we have to talk
about alternative strategies, but not in a
letter like this, is a very big threat with deep
implication, I wouldn’t recommend to go with
that nor sign it as official NCSG position.
Reminder: ONLY ABOUT THE LAST PARAGRAPH, the
rest looks amazing and I still think we should
make clear the point we must be taken in
account. Just take away the threat. <br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Cheers,<br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Martín<br class="">
</div>
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<div class="">On Oct 13, 2017, at 6:42 PM,
Ayden Férdeline <<a class=""
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
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word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Thanks
Stephanie, I tend to agree. I have
attached a copy of the letter which
includes the Chair's name.<br class="">
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<div class="">-------- Original Message
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<div class="">Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC]
[Draft] Letter to ICANN re: BC and IPC
correspondence<br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Local Time: 13 October 2017
10:33 PM<br class="">
</div>
<div class="">UTC Time: 13 October 2017
21:33<br class="">
</div>
<div class="">From:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
class=""
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a><br
class="">
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<div class="">To: Ayden Férdeline <<a
class=""
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br
class="">
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href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is"
moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a
class=""
href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is"
moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>><br
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<p class=""><span class="size"><span
style="font-family:"Lucida
Grande"" class="font">It should
be signed by the Chair on behalf of,
in my view.</span></span><br
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<p class=""><span class="size"><span
style="font-family:"Lucida
Grande"" class="font">cheers
Steph</span></span><br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-10-13
17:27, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br
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<div class="">Hi all,<br class="">
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<div class="">I have done some final
polishing to the letter, and have
attached a proposed final draft. I
hope we may be able to reach agreement
soon on sending this letter. Also - I
was wondering, should it carry a name,
perhaps of the Chair, or is it okay to
be signed 'NCSG'?<br class="">
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<div class="">Many thanks, Ayden <br
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Message --------<br class="">
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<div class="">Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC]
[Draft] Letter to ICANN re: BC and
IPC correspondence<br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Local Time: 13 October
2017 7:59 PM<br class="">
</div>
<div class="">UTC Time: 13 October
2017 18:59<br class="">
</div>
<div class="">From:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a><br
class="">
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<div class="">To: Stephanie Perrin<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
moz-do-not-send="true"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a>,<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a><br
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<div class="">I think it is the
perfect tone for this letter. As we
saw in Hong Kong this month,
our public silence is being
manipulated and used to make the
false claim that we are being
consulted with and are an
integral part of ICANN's efforts to
comply with the GDPR, when we are
not. Thanks for these edits
Stephanie. We need to reshape the
narrative and get it all
documented. <br class="">
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<div class="">Ayden Férdeline<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
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<div class="">On Fri, Oct 13, 2017
at 7:14 pm, Stephanie Perrin
<<a
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>
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<p class=""><span class="size"><span
style="font-family:"Lucida Grande"" class="font">I jumped in
today (apologies for being
anonymous, always forget my
google password) and made
quite a few changes. I like
the idea, but I think we
should be a bit more
specific. In terms of
informing the
DPAs....Swineheart is trying
to get people to the IWGDPT
meeting in Paris, I think
everyone has been briefed at
the data commissioners
meeting in Hong kong
(remember a whole crew from
ICANN went) that there is a
draft statement coming. So
they know we have been
briefing them for two years,
we need to sharpen that a
bit.</span></span><br
class="">
</p>
<p class=""><span class="size"><span
style="font-family:"Lucida Grande"" class="font">Let me know
if you think it was a bit
too strong. I will confess,
I am losing my patience with
this lot. They spend gobs
of money gadding around
trying to nullify end user
rights. Totally ignore us.
Ought to be ashamed of
themselves.</span></span><br
class="">
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<p class=""><span class="size"><span
style="font-family:"Lucida Grande"" class="font">Stephanie</span></span><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On
2017-10-13 07:05, Rafik Dammak
wrote:<span
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<div class="gmail_extra">hi,<br
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br
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<div class="gmail_extra">reminder
for everyone to review the
letter and share comments.<br
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br
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<div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br
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</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br
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<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="">Rafik<span
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<div class="">2017-10-11
4:28 GMT+09:00 Ayden
Férdeline<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
class="" dir="ltr"><<a
class=""
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<span
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<div class="">Also - I
have now revised this
letter again taking
into account the
helpful feedback that
was received over the
past 48 hours; moving
forward, please feel
free to edit the
document directly if
you have any changes
you'd like to see
made. Thanks!<span
class="HOEnZb"><span
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<div class="">Subject:
Re: [NCSG-PC]
[Draft] Letter to
ICANN re: BC and
IPC correspondence<br
class="">
</div>
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<div class="">To:
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<div class="">Hi
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<div class="">Thank
you very much
for your
comments.<span
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<div class="">It
would be great
if we could
finalise this
letter by
Friday and
perhaps even
send it out
that day. I
very much
welcome edits
directly to
the Google
Doc; everyone
on this list,
please help
write it and
shape its
contents!<span
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<div class="">I
would also like
to propose that
we write a
monthly letter
to ICANN on this
topic until May
2018, when
enforcement of
the GDPR comes
into effect.
That way we can
document for the
data protection
authorities that
we have been
informing ICANN
in excess of six
months of their
need to comply
with this
regulation.<span
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<div class="">The
feedback from
Nick Shorey on
the PC call
today - that we
need to help
engineer a
conversation
between the DPAs
and their GAC
representatives
- is an
interesting one,
and one which
seemed to have
support in the
chat. How would
we go about
this, however?
Do we write to
the GAC? Do we
express this
desire to them
in Abu Dhabi
during our
face-to-face
with them?<span
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Re: [NCSG-PC]
[Draft] Letter
to ICANN re:
BC and IPC
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<div
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is important
we make a
point to voice
our concerns
and influence
the process.
as we
discussed
before here
and on the
last call we
got 2 problems
1- our
representatives
in taskforce
not being
informed 2-
the last Data
protection
conference
(that is
already
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<div
class="gmail_extra">for
the current
letter, indeed
we should
tweak the
language there
;) while we
keep the
substance.
reading IPC
letter, it
seems they
reject the use
case matrix
and I
understood
from previous
comments you
think that
doesn't include
our
perspective. I
add few
comments but I
think we can
add more, in
particular,
our concerns
in general
regarding the
process and
not just
responding to
BC and IPC
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<div
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ask other PC
members to
review the
letter and
share their
thoughts. I
put the GDPR
as a
discussion
item for today
call. We need
a deadline to
get this done
and prior to
Abud Dhabi
meeting if we
may want to
continue the
discussion
there and
depending on
how things go
with the
cross-community
session. I
propose that
we reach a new
version by
this Friday.<span
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<div class="">I
have drafted a
letter to
ICANN in
response to
the recent
correspondence
received from
the BC and the
IPC.<span
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know the
language is
provocative
(intentionally
so), but this
is a first
draft -- and
if you
disapprove
please provide
alternative
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