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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">It should be signed by
          the Chair on behalf of, in my view.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Steph</font></font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-10-13 17:27, Ayden Férdeline
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      <div>Hi all,<br>
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      <div>I have done some final polishing to the letter, and have
        attached a proposed final draft. I hope we may be able to reach
        agreement soon on sending this letter. Also - I was wondering,
        should it carry a name, perhaps of the Chair, or is it okay to
        be signed 'NCSG'?</div>
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          <div>Many thanks, Ayden  <br>
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        <div>-------- Original Message --------<br>
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        <div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft] Letter to ICANN re: BC and
          IPC correspondence<br>
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        <div>Local Time: 13 October 2017 7:59 PM<br>
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        <div>UTC Time: 13 October 2017 18:59<br>
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        <div>From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a><br>
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        <div>To: Stephanie Perrin
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a>,
          <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a><br>
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        <div>I think it is the perfect tone for this letter. As we saw
          in Hong Kong this month, our public silence is being
          manipulated and used to make the false claim that we are being
          consulted with and are an integral part of ICANN's efforts to
          comply with the GDPR, when we are not. Thanks for these edits
          Stephanie. We need to reshape the narrative and get it all
          documented. <br>
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          <div>Ayden Férdeline <br>
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          <div>Sent from ProtonMail Mobile<br>
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            <div>On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 7:14 pm, Stephanie Perrin <<a
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            <p><span class="size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
                  class="font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">I
                  jumped in today (apologies for being anonymous, always
                  forget my google password) and made quite a few
                  changes.  I like the idea, but I think we should be a
                  bit more specific.  In terms of informing the
                  DPAs....Swineheart is trying to get people to the
                  IWGDPT meeting in Paris, I think everyone has been
                  briefed at the data commissioners meeting in Hong kong
                  (remember a whole crew from ICANN went) that there is
                  a draft statement coming. So they know we have been
                  briefing them for two years, we need to sharpen that a
                  bit.</span></span><br>
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            <p><span class="size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
                  class="font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">Let me
                  know if you think it was a bit too strong.  I will
                  confess, I am losing my patience with this lot.  They
                  spend gobs of money gadding around trying to nullify
                  end user rights.  Totally ignore us.  Ought to be
                  ashamed of themselves.</span></span><br>
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            <p><span class="size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
                  class="font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">Stephanie</span></span>
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            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-10-13 07:05, Rafik
              Dammak wrote: <br>
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                <div class="gmail_extra">hi,<br>
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                <div class="gmail_extra">reminder for everyone to review
                  the letter and share comments.<br>
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                <div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br>
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                  <div>Rafik <br>
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                    <div>2017-10-11 4:28 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <span
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                          href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
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                      <div>Also - I have now revised this letter again
                        taking into account the helpful feedback that
                        was received over the past 48 hours; moving
                        forward, please feel free to edit the document
                        directly if you have any changes you'd like to
                        see made. Thanks!<span class="HOEnZb"><span
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                          <div>-------- Original Message --------<br>
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                          <div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft] Letter to
                            ICANN re: BC and IPC correspondence<br>
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                            <div>Local Time: 10 October 2017 7:44 PM <br>
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                            <div>UTC Time: 10 October 2017 18:44 <br>
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                            <div>From: <a
                                href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>
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                            <div>To: Rafik Dammak <<a
                                href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>
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                            <div>ncsg-pc <<a
                                href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>>
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                            <div>Hi Rafik, <br>
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                              <div>Thank you very much for your
                                comments. <br>
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                              <div>It would be great if we could
                                finalise this letter by Friday and
                                perhaps even send it out that day. I
                                very much welcome edits directly to the
                                Google Doc; everyone on this list,
                                please help write it and shape its
                                contents! <br>
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                            <div>I would also like to propose that we
                              write a monthly letter to ICANN on this
                              topic until May 2018, when enforcement of
                              the GDPR comes into effect. That way we
                              can document for the data protection
                              authorities that we have been informing
                              ICANN in excess of six months of their
                              need to comply with this regulation. <br>
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                            <div>The feedback from Nick Shorey on the PC
                              call today - that we need to help engineer
                              a conversation between the DPAs and their
                              GAC representatives - is an interesting
                              one, and one which seemed to have support
                              in the chat. How would we go about this,
                              however? Do we write to the GAC? Do we
                              express this desire to them in Abu Dhabi
                              during our face-to-face with them? <br>
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                              <div>Best wishes, <br>
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                              <div>Ayden  <br>
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                              <div>-------- Original Message -------- <br>
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                              <div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft] Letter
                                to ICANN re: BC and IPC correspondence <br>
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                              <div>Local Time: 10 October 2017 5:33 AM <br>
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                              <div>UTC Time: 10 October 2017 04:33 <br>
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                              <div>From: <a
                                  href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>
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                              <div>To: Ayden Férdeline <<a
                                  href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
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                              <div>ncsg-pc <<a
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                                <div class="gmail_extra">Hi Ayden, <br>
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                                <div class="gmail_extra">Thanks for the
                                  draft, <br>
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                                <div class="gmail_extra">it is important
                                  we make a point to voice our concerns
                                  and influence the process. as we
                                  discussed before here and on the last
                                  call we got 2 problems 1- our
                                  representatives in taskforce not being
                                  informed 2- the last Data protection
                                  conference (that is already passed) <br>
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                                <div class="gmail_extra">for the current
                                  letter, indeed we should tweak the
                                  language there ;) while we keep the
                                  substance. reading IPC letter, it
                                  seems they reject the use case matrix
                                  and I understood from previous
                                  comments you think that
                                  doesn't include our perspective. I add
                                  few comments but I think we can add
                                  more, in particular, our concerns in
                                  general regarding the process and not
                                  just responding to BC and IPC
                                  requests. <br>
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                                <div class="gmail_extra">I ask other PC
                                  members to review the letter and share
                                  their thoughts. I put the GDPR as a
                                  discussion item for today call. We
                                  need a deadline to get this done and
                                  prior to Abud Dhabi meeting if we may
                                  want to continue the discussion there
                                  and depending on how things go with
                                  the cross-community session. I propose
                                  that we reach a new version by this
                                  Friday. <br>
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                                <div class="gmail_extra">Best, <br>
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                                <div class="gmail_extra">Rafik  <br>
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                                    <div>2017-10-08 23:07 GMT+09:00
                                      Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:
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                                      <div>Hi, <br>
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                                      <div>I have drafted a letter to
                                        ICANN in response to the recent
                                        correspondence received from the
                                        BC and the IPC. <a
                                          rel="nofollow" title="You can
                                          read/edit it here."
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/13ujYOpJFL0eNvjQCiNmsduFFbiUPQC5Wmbe9wHC2K6Q/edit?usp=sharing"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">You can
                                          read/edit it here.</a> I know
                                        the language is provocative
                                        (intentionally so), but this is
                                        a first draft -- and if you
                                        disapprove please provide
                                        alternative language. <br>
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                                      <div>Best, Ayden <br>
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