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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">It should be signed by
the Chair on behalf of, in my view.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Steph</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-10-13 17:27, Ayden Férdeline
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<div>Hi all,<br>
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<div>I have done some final polishing to the letter, and have
attached a proposed final draft. I hope we may be able to reach
agreement soon on sending this letter. Also - I was wondering,
should it carry a name, perhaps of the Chair, or is it okay to
be signed 'NCSG'?</div>
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<div>Many thanks, Ayden <br>
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<div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft] Letter to ICANN re: BC and
IPC correspondence<br>
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<div>Local Time: 13 October 2017 7:59 PM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: 13 October 2017 18:59<br>
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<div>From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a><br>
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<div>To: Stephanie Perrin
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a><br>
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<div>I think it is the perfect tone for this letter. As we saw
in Hong Kong this month, our public silence is being
manipulated and used to make the false claim that we are being
consulted with and are an integral part of ICANN's efforts to
comply with the GDPR, when we are not. Thanks for these edits
Stephanie. We need to reshape the narrative and get it all
documented. <br>
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<div>Ayden Férdeline <br>
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<div>On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 7:14 pm, Stephanie Perrin <<a
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<p><span class="size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
class="font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">I
jumped in today (apologies for being anonymous, always
forget my google password) and made quite a few
changes. I like the idea, but I think we should be a
bit more specific. In terms of informing the
DPAs....Swineheart is trying to get people to the
IWGDPT meeting in Paris, I think everyone has been
briefed at the data commissioners meeting in Hong kong
(remember a whole crew from ICANN went) that there is
a draft statement coming. So they know we have been
briefing them for two years, we need to sharpen that a
bit.</span></span><br>
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<p><span class="size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
class="font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">Let me
know if you think it was a bit too strong. I will
confess, I am losing my patience with this lot. They
spend gobs of money gadding around trying to nullify
end user rights. Totally ignore us. Ought to be
ashamed of themselves.</span></span><br>
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<p><span class="size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span
class="font" style="font-family:Lucida Grande">Stephanie</span></span>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-10-13 07:05, Rafik
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<div class="gmail_extra">hi,<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">reminder for everyone to review
the letter and share comments.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br>
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<div>Rafik <br>
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<div>2017-10-11 4:28 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:
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<div>Also - I have now revised this letter again
taking into account the helpful feedback that
was received over the past 48 hours; moving
forward, please feel free to edit the document
directly if you have any changes you'd like to
see made. Thanks!<span class="HOEnZb"><span
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<div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft] Letter to
ICANN re: BC and IPC correspondence<br>
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<div>Local Time: 10 October 2017 7:44 PM <br>
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<div>UTC Time: 10 October 2017 18:44 <br>
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<div>From: <a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>
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href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>ncsg-pc <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>>
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<div>Hi Rafik, <br>
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<div>Thank you very much for your
comments. <br>
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<div>It would be great if we could
finalise this letter by Friday and
perhaps even send it out that day. I
very much welcome edits directly to the
Google Doc; everyone on this list,
please help write it and shape its
contents! <br>
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<div>I would also like to propose that we
write a monthly letter to ICANN on this
topic until May 2018, when enforcement of
the GDPR comes into effect. That way we
can document for the data protection
authorities that we have been informing
ICANN in excess of six months of their
need to comply with this regulation. <br>
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<div>The feedback from Nick Shorey on the PC
call today - that we need to help engineer
a conversation between the DPAs and their
GAC representatives - is an interesting
one, and one which seemed to have support
in the chat. How would we go about this,
however? Do we write to the GAC? Do we
express this desire to them in Abu Dhabi
during our face-to-face with them? <br>
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<div>Best wishes, <br>
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<div>Ayden <br>
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<div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft] Letter
to ICANN re: BC and IPC correspondence <br>
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<div>Local Time: 10 October 2017 5:33 AM <br>
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<div>UTC Time: 10 October 2017 04:33 <br>
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<div>From: <a
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>
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<div>To: Ayden Férdeline <<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
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moz-do-not-send="true">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Hi Ayden, <br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Thanks for the
draft, <br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">it is important
we make a point to voice our concerns
and influence the process. as we
discussed before here and on the last
call we got 2 problems 1- our
representatives in taskforce not being
informed 2- the last Data protection
conference (that is already passed) <br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">for the current
letter, indeed we should tweak the
language there ;) while we keep the
substance. reading IPC letter, it
seems they reject the use case matrix
and I understood from previous
comments you think that
doesn't include our perspective. I add
few comments but I think we can add
more, in particular, our concerns in
general regarding the process and not
just responding to BC and IPC
requests. <br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I ask other PC
members to review the letter and share
their thoughts. I put the GDPR as a
discussion item for today call. We
need a deadline to get this done and
prior to Abud Dhabi meeting if we may
want to continue the discussion there
and depending on how things go with
the cross-community session. I propose
that we reach a new version by this
Friday. <br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Best, <br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Rafik <br>
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Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:
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<div>Hi, <br>
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<div>I have drafted a letter to
ICANN in response to the recent
correspondence received from the
BC and the IPC. <a
rel="nofollow" title="You can
read/edit it here."
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/13ujYOpJFL0eNvjQCiNmsduFFbiUPQC5Wmbe9wHC2K6Q/edit?usp=sharing"
moz-do-not-send="true">You can
read/edit it here.</a> I know
the language is provocative
(intentionally so), but this is
a first draft -- and if you
disapprove please provide
alternative language. <br>
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<div>Best, Ayden <br>
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