<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Ayden, </div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Just some thought, probably wrong but what I understand so far:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Rafik did act as agreed. We have deadlines to meet so we need to confirm or deny Heather, we still can keep showing our disagreement and anger and push for three things: 1) a selection process. 2) VC position for Rafik 3) use this as an opportunity to leverage Rafik for Chair next chance.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Heather was VC, she did her campaign, leaving us out (grrrrrr), and we did nothing to either push our candidate or find out if there was any other out there. So we are not innocent in being fooled. We already decided not to deny Heather the Chair, so we can confirm her, let’s focus on building the VC and Rafik chances to be Chair one day and a process that prevents this sort of abuses from the CHP and the CSG against NCSG. Let’s move on this issues that we still need to work out in NCPH! </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">Martín</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 2, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">I have to say Rafik, I'm very surprised by this thread, because I did not think this was the path that we had agreed to take forward. I do not oppose Heather chairing Council, particularly following our call last week where we had a number of questions clarified, but I thought we were going to impress upon the CSG our frustration with them choosing a Chair behind closed doors without involving us. It does not sound to me like this happened? <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user"><div class="">—Ayden <br class=""></div></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class=""></div><div class="">Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Chair election<br class=""></div><div class="">Local Time: 2 October 2017 5:20 PM<br class=""></div><div class="">UTC Time: 2 October 2017 16:20<br class=""></div><div class="">From: <a href="mailto:pileleji@ymca.gm" class="">pileleji@ymca.gm</a><br class=""></div><div class="">To: Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" class="">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>>, ncsg-pc <<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" class="">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Hello Tapani,<br class=""></div></div><div class="">Was to respond sorry for the delay, I support the approach as rightly stated by Matthew. We need importantly to have a process for this.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="">Thank you<br class=""></div></div><div class="">Poncelet<br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">On 2 October 2017 at 16:06, Tapani Tarvainen <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" class="">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div class="">So as Rafik sleeps, I'll take that as instructions and absent<br class=""></div><div class="">objections will take it upon myself to send the nomination to the<br class=""></div><div class="">secretariat together with CSG (apparently represented in this case by<br class=""></div><div class="">Wolf-Ulrich, even though CSG doesn't have a chair as such).<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So far out of 11 PC members I count Rafik, Stefania, Martin, myself<br class=""></div><div class="">and Matthew in favour, still waiting for Marilia, Stephanie, Tatiana,<br class=""></div><div class="">Ayden, Poncelet and Juan.<br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="HOEnZb"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(136, 136, 136)"><br class="">Tapani</span></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On Mon, Oct 02, 2017 at 11:27:45PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" class="">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>) wrote:<br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">> Hi,<br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">> Thanks for responses, waiting for other members opinions. I may be offline<br class=""></div><div class="">> soon (midnight soon here). If there is no strong objections by 19:00UTC, we<br class=""></div><div class="">> should inform CSG about our support and then send a joint nomination.<br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">> Best,<br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">> Rafik<br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">> On Oct 2, 2017 10:34 PM, "Tapani Tarvainen" <<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" class="">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>><br class=""></div><div class="">> wrote:<br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">> Agreed.<br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">> Tapani<br class=""></div><div class="">><br class=""></div><div class="">> On Mon, Oct 02, 2017 at 09:41:53PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (<br class=""></div><div class="">> <a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" class="">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>) wrote:<br class=""></div><div class="">> ><br class=""></div><div class="">> > Hi,<br class=""></div><div class="">> ><br class=""></div><div class="">> > While I expressed interest to put my name for chair election, I am fine<br class=""></div><div class="">> > with running for vice-chair instead considering the current<br class=""></div><div class="">> > context. taking the opportunity to run as vice-chair seems more<br class=""></div><div class="">> reasonable<br class=""></div><div class="">> > for the time being. We had a call with Heather last week and also ongoing<br class=""></div><div class="">> > discussion between councilors about the nomination. I understand there may<br class=""></div><div class="">> > some concerns but we can play our role to keep GNSO leadership on track.<br class=""></div><div class="">> it<br class=""></div><div class="">> > also seems that both groups didn't start the process in due time, nor we<br class=""></div><div class="">> > had a process to start with.<br class=""></div><div class="">> ><br class=""></div><div class="">> > I advise that we go with supporting Heather nomination from NCPH and<br class=""></div><div class="">> > continue the discussion with CSG about vice-chair position and election<br class=""></div><div class="">> > processes (not waiting for intersessional to do the later).<br class=""></div><div class="">> ><br class=""></div><div class="">> > We have few hours left, so we should share our decision with CSG asap and<br class=""></div><div class="">> > make the nomination before midnight at UTC time.<br class=""></div><div class="">> ><br class=""></div><div class="">> > Best,<br class=""></div><div class="">> ><br class=""></div><div class="">> > Rafik<br class=""></div><div class="">> ><br class=""></div><div class="">> > 2017-09-26 8:27 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" class="">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>:<br class=""></div><div class="">> ><br class=""></div><div class="">> > > Hi,<br class=""></div><div class="">> > ><br class=""></div><div class="">> > > for the record, as I was nominated by Ayden a few weeks ago in PC list<br class=""></div><div class="">> I<br class=""></div><div class="">> > > am also interested to be nominated by NCPH to run for GNSO chair<br class=""></div><div class="">> election.<br class=""></div><div class="">> > > I am looking forward NCSG to support my candidature and suggest it to<br class=""></div><div class="">> CSG<br class=""></div><div class="">> > > during the house nomination process.<br class=""></div><div class="">> > ><br class=""></div><div class="">> > > Best,<br class=""></div><div class="">> > ><br class=""></div><div class="">> > > Rafik<br class=""></div><div class="">> > ><br class=""></div><div class="">> > ><br class=""></div><div class="">> > > 2017-09-25 18:56 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" class="">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a><br class=""></div><div class="">> >:<br class=""></div><div class="">> > ><br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> Dear PC,<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >><br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> Deadline for GNSO Chair candidate nominations is October 1, that<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> is the end of this week.<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >><br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> Background:<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >><br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> The rules say that each house will be allowed to nominate<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> one candidate. Meaning we'd have to agree with CSG.<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> And we'd have to find a candidate the other house will<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> also accept.<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >><br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> Time is short. We really should open talks with CSG now.<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >><br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> And if we want one of ours to run for Chair, we'd also<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> need to talk with CPH at the same time.<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >><br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> Chair needs 60% supermajority in the council to be elected.<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> My math says that works out to 16 councillors, when CPH<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> and NCPH both have 13 (6 per constituency plus two NCAs).<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >><br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> Eligible for nomination are all new councillors, including<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> all NCAs (even non-voting NCA).<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >><br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> For more details cf. 2.2 in GNSO Operating Procedures.<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >><br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> And as you may recall, if CSG gets the Chair we'll get Vice Chair, as<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> per the procedure we agreed on.<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >><br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> I haven't heard anything from CSG after Jo'burg, but there I got<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> the impression they'd be likely to offer Heather Forrest.<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> Note that if she's elected she could only serve one year,<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> as she's term-limited as councillor.<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >><br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> --<br class=""></div><div class="">> > >> Tapani Tarvainen<br class=""></div><div class="">______________________________<wbr class="">_________________<br class=""></div><div class="">NCSG-PC mailing list<br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="mailto:NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is" class="">NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><a rel="noreferrer" href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc" class="">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/<wbr class="">listinfo/ncsg-pc</a><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-- <br class=""></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Poncelet O. 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