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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I also hear that they
          are rejecting the idea that ICANN is a data controller (it is
          all the community, don't you know.....)</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Like we got a chance
          to influence the 2013 RAA></font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">(sorry, really grouchy
          about the non-transparent way all this stuff is happening.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">SP</font></font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-09-19 11:18, Stephanie Perrin
      wrote:<br>
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      <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">well possibly it has
            something to do with this:</font></font></p>
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            lang="EN">6. Council of Europe (CoE) and ICANN </span></b><span
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">ICANN
                  and Privacy</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">Speaker(s):</span></b></p>
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                    style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
                      "Times New Roman"">        </span></span></span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">Jan
                  Kleijssen, Director of Information Society and Action
                  against Crime, Council of Europe</span></p>
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                style="margin-left:0cm;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
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                    style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
                      "Times New Roman"">        </span></span></span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">Joseph
                  Cannataci, UN Special Rapporteur on Right to privacy,
                  UN</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">Giovanni
                  Buttarelli, European Data Protection Supervisor, EU </span></p>
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                    style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">Theresa
                  Swineheart, Senior Vice President, ICANN </span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">Becky
                  Burr, Member of the Board, ICANN </span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">This
                  event will aim at discussing the relevance of privacy
                  and data protection considerations and inclusions into
                  ICANN policies and will contribute to a better mutual
                  understanding of the underlying privacy issues. </span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">27
                  Sep 2017 1:30pm – 3pm; Camomile (Lower Level II)</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">Prior
                    Registration:</span></b></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">Not
                  Required</span></p>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-09-19 11:17, Ayden Férdeline
        wrote:<br>
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        <div>Thank you for sharing this letter, Stephanie. I had not
          seen it, even though from the date it seems ICANN sent it a
          week ago.<br>
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          I agree we should respond. It is not actually all that clear
          to me what Goran is asking of Giovanni Buttarelli. Is it just
          a spontaneous update on ICANN's non-compliance with EU data
          protection legislation? Why would Buttarelli care? Why are
          they writing to him?<br>
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          The public matrix they have sent, which despite their claims
          that it was developed by the community, well it wasn't
          really... The version they have sent to Buttarelli and their
          legal counsel, and who knows who else, was made public to us <i>after</i>
          being sent to these parties, and it does not include a
          faithful summary of my submission.</div>
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            <div>—Ayden <br>
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          <div>-------- Original Message --------<br>
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          <div>Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goran letter on data protection<br>
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          <div>Local Time: 19 September 2017 4:07 PM<br>
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          <div>UTC Time: 19 September 2017 15:07<br>
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          <div>From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
              href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
              moz-do-not-send="true">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a><br>
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          <div>To: ncsg-pc <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
              href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" moz-do-not-send="true"><ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is></a><br>
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          <p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx" class="size"><span
                style="font-family:Lucida Grande" class="font"><a
                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-buttarelli-12sep17-en.pdf"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-buttarelli-12sep17-en.pdf</a></span></span><br>
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          <p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx" class="size"><span
                style="font-family:Lucida Grande" class="font">I think
                We need to respond to this with our own history.  If we
                get it written on time, I would try to get one of our
                members who will be at the International data
                commissioners conference in Hong Kong, on September 24,
                to hand it (or read parts of it) to Buttarelli and
                Canatacci on the ICANN panel.  Teresa Swineheart and
                Becky Burr are there.....</span></span><br>
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          <p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx" class="size"><span
                style="font-family:Lucida Grande" class="font">cheers
                Stephanie</span></span><br>
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