<div>I see Council experience as desirable but not essential. In the case of Paul, I do not believe his lack of Council experience would hinder his ability to perform the duties expected of him. Julf is active in many fora at ICANN; this may even be a good opportunity to spread the workload, reactivating the involvement of one of our larger, less active organisational members in ICANN processes. Just a thought.<br></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block "><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user "><div>Best wishes, Ayden <br></div></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC<br></div><div>Local Time: 9 September 2017 2:10 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 9 September 2017 13:10<br></div><div>From: t.tropina@mpicc.de<br></div><div>To: ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is<br></div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><p>I am going to review Kris's application but I agree with the
following:<br></p><p>- Council experience is essential though not the absolute must. I
am ready to endorse Paul because being aware of his experience and
also from his bio I think he is able to take a strong stand and he
will be good with GAC. However, Julf would be my top option for
endorsement. <br></p><div>- We can't endorse 4 people.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> - If we consider Kris's application we need to rank those who apply
and endorse one or two. I am going to consider the application
because I just don't want to write people off before reviewing their
applications. Of course, if we decided that he submitted it in time
and following the formal procedure we established. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> Warm regards,<br></div><div> Tanya <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/09/17 15:04, Stephanie Perrin
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx" class="size"><span style="font-family:Lucida Grande" class="font">I agree you
absolutely need council experience. We cannot have someone
with no council experience trying to explain things to the
GAC. Council is hard enough to master (said she who is
still mastering procedures)</span></span><br></p><p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx" class="size"><span style="font-family:Lucida Grande" class="font">Steph</span></span><br></p><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-09-09 08:57, Ayden Férdeline
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi Stefi - the name I was given was Kris Seeburn, but I am
not sure to whom his application was sent.<br></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block "><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user "><div>Best wishes, Ayden <br></div></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton
protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement
-- GNSO Liaison to the GAC<br></div><div>Local Time: 9 September 2017 1:47 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 9 September 2017 12:47<br></div><div>From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu">Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu</a><br></div><div>To: Tapani Tarvainen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info"><ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info></a>,
Ayden Férdeline <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"><icann@ferdeline.com></a><br></div><div><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is"><ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is></a><br></div><div><br></div><div>From having observed Julf from up close over these two
years, he has my total trust.<br></div><div>Who is the fourth candidate, Ayden?<br></div><div>But yeah, rethinking our strategy is a good suggestion,
to streamline the process and introduce clarity.<br></div><div>Stefania<br></div><div><br></div><div>________________________________________<br></div><div>Da: NCSG-PC <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces@lists.ncsg.is"><ncsg-pc-bounces@lists.ncsg.is></a> per conto di Ayden Férdeline <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"><icann@ferdeline.com></a><br></div><div>Inviato: sabato 9 settembre 2017 14:37:25<br></div><div>A: Tapani Tarvainen<br></div><div>Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a><br></div><div>Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement
-- GNSO Liaison to the GAC<br></div><div><br></div><div>Hi,<br></div><div><br></div><div>It has been brought to my attention that there may have
been a fourth candidate for our endorsement. Rafik, are you
able to confirm this? If true - I am inclined to agree with
Tapani that we might need to re-think our strategy as to who
we endorse...<br></div><div><br></div><div>—Ayden<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement
-- GNSO Liaison to the GAC<br></div><div>Local Time: 9 September 2017 12:33 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 9 September 2017 11:33<br></div><div>From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a><br></div><div>To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hi all,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I"m not sure we can put the candidates in order, but if
we do, I would<br></div><div>also put Julf first. Among other reasons he"s the only
one of them<br></div><div>with councillor experience.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Second, I would not endorse Pascal. Even though the
deadline given was<br></div><div>vague ("before Friday"), he did not follow the
instructions but<br></div><div>submitted his application directly to the secretariat,
and we didn"t<br></div><div>say we"d endorse everybody who asks - indeed we should
not, but at<br></div><div>least try to consider the applications" substance, even
though time is<br></div><div>short.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I agree with Rafik that submitting more candidates is
likely to lessen<br></div><div>our changes of getting any of them through, and looking
at the<br></div><div>applications Pascal seems to me weakest of the three.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Tapani<br></div><div><br></div><div>(going offline for a week, so won"t be commenting on this
any more)<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Dr. Tatiana
Tropina (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de">t.tropina@mpicc.de</a>)
wrote:<br></div><div>><br></div><div>> Hi Ayden,<br></div><div>><br></div><div>> thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but
proposing the<br></div><div>> preferred order is the best way.<br></div><div>><br></div><div>> All: I personally would rather put Julf as number
one, but I am fine<br></div><div>> with Ayden"s proposed order if everyone goes for
this.<br></div><div>><br></div><div>> Cheers,<br></div><div>><br></div><div>> Tanya<br></div><div>><br></div><div>><br></div><div>> On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br></div><div>> > Hi Rafik,<br></div><div>> ><br></div><div>> > As we did not include a hard deadline in the
email on Thursday, I<br></div><div>> > suppose Pascal did submit his request for
endorsement on time [at<br></div><div>> > least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I
support us endorsing his<br></div><div>> > application.<br></div><div>> ><br></div><div>> > However, if it would help the SSC in their
deliberations, I would<br></div><div>> > propose that the preferred order of candidates
from the NCSG be as<br></div><div>> > follows:<br></div><div>> ><br></div><div>> > 1. Paul Rosenzweig<br></div><div>> > 2. Julf Helsingius<br></div><div>> > 3. Pascal Bekono<br></div><div>> ><br></div><div>> > Best wishes, Ayden<br></div><div>> ><br></div><div>> ><br></div><div>> ><br></div><div>> ><br></div><div>> >> -------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>> >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for
NSCG endorsement -- GNSO<br></div><div>> >> Liaison to the GAC<br></div><div>> >> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM<br></div><div>> >> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18<br></div><div>> >> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>> >> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de"><t.tropina@mpicc.de></a><br></div><div>> >> ncsg-pc <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is"><ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is></a><br></div><div>> >><br></div><div>> >> Hi,<br></div><div>> >><br></div><div>> >> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2
names as endorsed to SSC.<br></div><div>> >> We got an extra application lately and not
sure that everyone has<br></div><div>> >> time to review it.<br></div><div>> >> there is no limit to send 3 names. however,
I think that sending many<br></div><div>> >> names will weaken their chances of those
candidatures at SSC<br></div><div>> >> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we
are not championing<br></div><div>> >> clearly for one. that won"t make NCSG
representatives to SSC easier<br></div><div>> >> either give them a clear guidance from
their group.<br></div><div>> >><br></div><div>> >> for now, I will send Julf and Paul
applications by the deadline. if<br></div><div>> >> other PC members weigh in and also support
sending Pascal application<br></div><div>> >> in coming hours, we can submit hs
endorsment afterward.<br></div><div>> >><br></div><div>> >> Best,<br></div><div>> >><br></div><div>> >> Rafik<br></div><div>> >><br></div><div>> >> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana
Tropina <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de">t.tropina@mpicc.de</a><br></div><div>> >> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de"><mailto:t.tropina@mpicc.de></a>>:<br></div><div>> >><br></div><div>> >> Hi Rafik and all,<br></div><div>> >><br></div><div>> >> I support.<br></div><div>> >><br></div><div>> >> Cheers,<br></div><div>> >><br></div><div>> >> Tanya<br></div><div>> >><br></div><div>> >><br></div><div>> >> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:<br></div><div>> >>> Hi,<br></div><div>> >>><br></div><div>> >>> due to the time constraint and since we
have 2 candidates, we<br></div><div>> >>> can endorse both and send their
applications to SSC. if there is<br></div><div>> >>> no objection, I can submit them just
before 23:59UTC.<br></div><div>> >>> looking to hear from other PC members.<br></div><div>> >>><br></div><div>> >>> Best,<br></div><div>> >>><br></div><div>> >>> Rafik<br></div><div>> >>><br></div><div>> >>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden
Férdeline <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a><br></div><div>> >>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"><mailto:icann@ferdeline.com></a>>:<br></div><div>> >>><br></div><div>> >>> Hi,<br></div><div>> >>><br></div><div>> >>> I propose endorsing both. We are only
asked, I believe, to<br></div><div>> >>> support their candidacies — we have not
been delegated the<br></div><div>> >>> responsibility as PC of selecting the
liaison.<br></div><div>> >>><br></div><div>> >>> Best wishes,<br></div><div>> >>><br></div><div>> >>> Ayden Férdeline<br></div><div>> >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile<br></div><div>> >>><br></div><div>> >>><br></div><div>> >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Arsène
Tungali<br></div><div>> >>> <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com"><mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com></a>>
wrote:<br></div><div>> >>>> So how are we doing this? Do we
vote by a formal poll or<br></div><div>> >>>> are we just posting on here?
----------------- Arsène<br></div><div>> >>>> Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali<br></div><div>> >>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali"><http://about.me/ArseneTungali></a> +243 993810967<br></div><div>> >>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:+243%20993%20810%20967"><tel:+243%20993%20810%20967></a> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic<br></div><div>> >>>> Republic of Congo Sent from my
iPhone (excuse typos) > On<br></div><div>> >>>> Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani
Tarvainen wrote: > ><br></div><div>> >>>> Re-sending with the attachment.
> > Tapani > > -----<br></div><div>> >>>> Forwarded message from Paul
Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear<br></div><div>> >>>> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming
Chair) > > I am writing to<br></div><div>> >>>> request that you consider endorsing
me to be the GNSO ><br></div><div>> >>>> Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI
is here: ><br></div><div>> >>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI</a><br></div><div>> >>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI"><https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI></a><br></div><div>> >>>> > > My completed application
template follows: > ><br></div><div>> >>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name
Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation<br></div><div>> >>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch
> Consulting -- part of<br></div><div>> >>>> the NCSG > > Please provide
an overview of your<br></div><div>> >>>> experience/expertise with GNSO
policy > development<br></div><div>> >>>> processes: Since 2014, I have been
an active > member of<br></div><div>> >>>> the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2
regarding accountability<br></div><div>> >>>> mechanisms > related to the
ICANN transition. As such I<br></div><div>> >>>> have participated in the full >
gamut of related GNSO/NCSG<br></div><div>> >>>> policy issue that are of
applicability to that > context.<br></div><div>> >>>> Given my legal background, I have
particularly focused on<br></div><div>> >>>> legal > issues -- viz, ICANN"s
revised mission statement,<br></div><div>> >>>> the new Independent Review >
Process, and ongoing<br></div><div>> >>>> considerations of jurisdictional
issues. I have been, > and<br></div><div>> >>>> remain, especially focused on areas
where the influence of<br></div><div>> >>>> the GAC seems > to reflect
governmental interests that are<br></div><div>> >>>> inconsistent with GNSO policy. >
> Please provide an<br></div><div>> >>>> overview of your Previous
engagements in GNSO work in a ><br></div><div>> >>>> leadership capacity: I have not had
a previous opportunity<br></div><div>> >>>> to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG
in a leadership capacity.<br></div><div>> >>>> This is the first instance in >
which I have volunteered<br></div><div>> >>>> for such a position. > >
Please describe your familiarity<br></div><div>> >>>> with GAC processes, including GAC
> engagement in GNSO<br></div><div>> >>>> policy development: As part of my
work > with the CCWG-A I<br></div><div>> >>>> came to be intimately familiar with
GAC processes for ><br></div><div>> >>>> engaging in GNSO policy
development. I suspect that few in<br></div><div>> >>>> the GNSO have > paid quite as
much attention as I have to<br></div><div>> >>>> the GAC"s rules of operation, its
> definition of<br></div><div>> >>>> consensus, and the ways in which it
is permitted to<br></div><div>> >>>> influence > ICANN policy. Indeed
the changes to those<br></div><div>> >>>> processes were one of the >
particular focuses of my<br></div><div>> >>>> interest in the CCWG-A and one of
the reasons I was ><br></div><div>> >>>> skeptical of the ultimate product
of the CCWG and the<br></div><div>> >>>> resulting changes to > ICANN"s
methods for considering GAC<br></div><div>> >>>> advice. I remain of the view that
GAC > engagement in GNSO<br></div><div>> >>>> policy development is essential but
that it should be ><br></div><div>> >>>> accomplished through established
GAC-GNSO liaison<br></div><div>> >>>> procedures and not through >
extra-procedural fiat. By way<br></div><div>> >>>> of example, > I have been vocal
in my view that the GAC"s<br></div><div>> >>>> intervention with the Board >
regarding two letter second<br></div><div>> >>>> level top level domains was
procedurally > improper (and<br></div><div>> >>>> also disappointed that the GNSO
liaison to the GAC had not<br></div><div>> >>>> > alerted the GNSO to this issue
earlier. [And, though<br></div><div>> >>>> neutrality is a > hallmark of a
good liaison, I should also<br></div><div>> >>>> make clear that I find GAC claims
> that second level<br></div><div>> >>>> two-letter domains should be
restricted deeply ><br></div><div>> >>>> unpersuasive and antithetical to
policies that animate the<br></div><div>> >>>> NCSG and the > GNSO]. > >
Please provide any other<br></div><div>> >>>> information that demonstrates your
qualifications > for<br></div><div>> >>>> this position: It is perhaps of
relevance that I have a ><br></div><div>> >>>> history of service in the US
government and thus a<br></div><div>> >>>> reasonable understanding > of
the role of governments. In<br></div><div>> >>>> the 2005-09 time period I twice
served as > the Acting<br></div><div>> >>>> Assistant Secretary for
International Affairs at the<br></div><div>> >>>> Department > of Homeland
Security, and thus experience in<br></div><div>> >>>> international diplomatic >
contexts. I attach a full resume<br></div><div>> >>>> for your consideration. > > I
would be happy to answer any<br></div><div>> >>>> further questions you or other
members of the > NCSG might<br></div><div>> >>>> have. > > Regards > Paul
> > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch<br></div><div>> >>>> Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE
> Washington, DC 20002 ><br></div><div>> >>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a><br></div><div>> >>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com"><mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com></a> > O: +1<br></div><div>> >>>> (202) 547-0660 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:+1%20202-547-0660"><tel:+1%20202-547-0660></a> > M: +1 (202)<br></div><div>> >>>> 329-9650 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:+1%20202-329-9650"><tel:+1%20202-329-9650></a> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739<br></div><div>> >>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="tel:+1%20202-738-1739"><tel:+1%20202-738-1739></a> > <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com">www.redbranchconsulting.com</a><br></div><div>> >>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com"><http://www.redbranchconsulting.com></a> ><br></div><div>> >>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com">www.paulrosenzweigesq.com</a><br></div><div>> >>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com"><http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com></a> > My PGP Key: ><br></div><div>> >>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684">https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684</a><br></div><div>> >>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684"><https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684></a><br></div><div>> >>>> > > > > ----- End
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