<div>I think the Intersessional and the GNSO Council Strategic Planning Session are two distinct meetings, targeting two very different audiences. For that reason I believe they should be held at different times of the year and not amalgamated into one. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I am ambivalent as to location, though I tend to think both being held in Los Angeles makes sense given senior ICANN staff are already there. That said, I understand the US is very difficult for many people to travel to. I believe the broader Intersessional participant list contains individuals who will find it challenging to travel to the United States, whereas most (if not all) of the current GNSO Councillors can travel to the US with relative ease. <br></div><div><br></div><div>If the meetings are both held during the same week, a participant who is unable to travel that week will miss out on both meetings.<br></div><div><br></div><div>There is also the question of exhaustion. In my experience, people are very energetic for the first two to three days of a meeting; after that length of time, exhaustion and fatigue starts to set in. If we combine these two meetings into one, the latter one will suffer.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Finally, the two meetings being held at separate times of the year becomes a carrot which can be used to increase member engagement. We make do with remote meetings when we have to, but our output from face-to-face meetings seems to me to be higher.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes, Ayden <br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block "><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: YOUR FEEDBACK REQUESTED: Planning for 2018 NCPH Intersessional & GNSO Council strategic planning sessions<br></div><div>Local Time: July 28, 2017 11:48 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: July 28, 2017 10:48 PM<br></div><div>From: stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca<br></div><div>To: ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is<br></div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx" class="size"><span style="font-family:Lucida Grande" class="font">I am not enthusiastic
about more meetings either. And I am not keen on travelling
to the US.....Los Angeles takes way longer than Iceland, for
me, with way more hassle. I have never been to Mexico, so I
dont know how hard that is. Am indifferent about putting the
two meetings together, makes sense not to fly twice.</span></span><br></p><p><span style="font-size:undefinedpx" class="size"><span style="font-family:Lucida Grande" class="font">cheers SP</span></span><br></p><div><br></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-07-28 18:30, Rafik Dammak
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I am among those who are not really
supporting holding another intersessional meeting next year.
We are not doing any serious review and trying to improve it
but just carrying on because we got a budget.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">if the interesessional will be
organized anyway, I think it would make sense to hold it in
the same week with the Council planning meeting. that means 1
travel less for councilors at least. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>2017-07-28 19:57 GMT+09:00 Ayden
Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Thanks for sharing this, Stephanie, and for inviting
our feedback.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I think the two meetings should be held separately at
different times of the year, as they serve different
purposes and cater to different audiences [with some
overlap].<br></div><div><br></div><div>I understand that ICANN staff try only to travel
during business hours, but some of our participants
might find it easier to be able to travel to a meeting
over a weekend and to have the meeting commence on a
Sunday. I am not sure what others think about this
suggestion, particularly those on the GNSO Council who
would be impacted here, but just putting that idea out
there...<br></div><div><br></div><div>For the GNSO Council Strategic Planning Meeting, it
makes sense to me to have this in Los Angeles given it
is the closest ICANN office for the majority of the
likely participants.<br></div><div><br></div><div>For the Intersessional (which I think should
continue, though I understand that is not a view held by
all) I also think Los Angeles makes a lot of sense,
though I understand the participant profiles vary, and
it may be very difficult for many of the Intersessional
participants to travel to the United States. Based on
the participant profiles of everyone who attended the
Intersessional this year, I believe Mexico City would be
much easier for everyone to travel to [anyone with an
existing US or Canadian visa does not need a visa to
enter Mexico, and for many in Latin America, Mexico’s
immigration policies are very fair]. It would also be a
rather economical choice.<br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline <br></div></div><div class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071protonmail_signature_block-proton
m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div class="m_-3242062467228255210HOEnZb"><div class="m_-3242062467228255210h5"><div><br></div><blockquote class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: YOUR FEEDBACK
REQUESTED: Planning for 2018 NCPH Intersessional
& GNSO Council strategic planning sessions<br></div><div>Local Time: July 27, 2017 9:37 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: July 27, 2017 8:37 PM<br></div><div>From: <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto<wbr>.ca</a><br></div><div>To: ncsg-pc <<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><p><span class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span style="font-family:"Lucida Grande"" class="font">Perhaps we
ought to discuss this on the broader list as
well, just forwarding....</span></span><br></p><p><span class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071size" style="font-size:undefinedpx"><span style="font-family:"Lucida Grande"" class="font">Stephanie</span></span><br></p><div class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-forward-container"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-------- Forwarded Message --------<br></div><table class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-email-headers-table" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap">Subject:<br></th><td>YOUR FEEDBACK REQUESTED: Planning for
2018 NCPH Intersessional & GNSO
Council strategic planning sessions<br></td></tr><tr><th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap">Date:<br></th><td>Mon, 24 Jul 2017 15:22:29 +0000<br></td></tr><tr><th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap">From:<br></th><td>Mary Wong <a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><mary.wong@icann.org></a><br></td></tr><tr><th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap">To:<br></th><td>Phil Corwin <a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><psc@vlaw-dc.com></a>,
Susan Kawaguchi <a href="mailto:susankpolicy@gmail.com" class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><susankpolicy@gmail.com></a>,
Heather Forrest <a href="mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com" class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><haforrestesq@gmail.com></a>,
icannlists <a href="mailto:icannlists@winston.com" class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><icannlists@winston.com></a>,
Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben <a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.d<wbr>e></a>,
Anthony Harris <a href="mailto:anthonyrharris@gmail.com" class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><anthonyrharris@gmail.com></a>,
Rafik Dammak <a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><rafik.dammak@gmail.com></a>,
Milan, Stefania <a href="mailto:Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu" class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu></a>,
Marilia Maciel <a href="mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com" class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><mariliamaciel@gmail.com></a>,
Stephanie Perrin <a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoront<wbr>o.ca></a>,
Martin Pablo Silva Valent <a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><mpsilvavalent@gmail.com></a>,
Johan Helsingius <a href="mailto:julf@julf.com" class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><julf@julf.com></a><br></td></tr><tr><th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap">CC:<br></th><td>Benedetta Rossi <a href="mailto:benedetta.rossi@icann.org" class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><benedetta.rossi@icann.org></a><br></td></tr></tbody></table><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_-3242062467228255210m_336334139642242071WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="size">Dear Heather, Susan,
Marilia, Stefania, Stephanie, Phil, Rafik,
Tony, Julf, Wolf-Ulrich, Paul and Martin,</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="size"> </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="size">I am writing to seek
your input as we (ICANN staff) begin working
with the GNSO Council leadership and the
NCPH leadership to plan two face-to-face
meetings that have been approved for FY
2018. One is a 2-3 day strategic planning
session for the GNSO Council (approved as a
pilot project for FY2018), and the other is
the periodic NCPH Intersessional meeting.</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="size"> </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="size">As the application
for the GNSO Council’s strategic planning
meeting had indicated that this might take
place in January 2018, and as the NCPH
Intersessional has traditionally taken place
in January or February, staff would like to
know if you believe it will be <u>preferable
for these two meetings to take place
concurrently, such that both meetings can
occur within the space of a single week in
the same location, or if you think it will
be better to plan them as two separate
meetings taking place at different times
in the year</u>.</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="size"> </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="size">You may be interested
to know that the ICANN process for
face-to-face meeting planning has been
updated (as of June 2017), such that meeting
requests for location, dates and travel now
have to be sent in several months ahead of
time. For the GNSO Council strategic
planning meeting, the budget approval
requires an ICANN office location, with
preference for Los Angeles – hence, if you
think running both meetings concurrently in
the same week is better, this will most
probably mean that the NCPH Intersessional
will take place in Los Angeles as well.</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="size"> </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="size">We understand that,
as these events are going to take place in
calendar year 2018, several of you may no
longer be on the Council by that time. In
addition, decisions and programming
concerning the NCPH Intersessional is the
responsibility of the NCPH leadership and
not the GNSO Council. However, for planning
purposes we thought it appropriate to seek
as much input as possible from those
community members who may be most affected
by the dates and timing, and so we hope you
are able to provide us with your opinion as
to which option is preferred.</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="size"> </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="size">Thanks and cheers</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="size">Mary</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="size"> </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" class="size"> </span><br></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br></div><div> NCSG-PC mailing list<br></div><div> <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is">NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is</a><br></div><div> <a href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/ncsg-pc</a><br></div><div> <br></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
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