<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Thanks all, with no objections raised here or at NCSG list and with support from Mathew, Ayden, Ed and myself, I submitted the NCSG comment (attached).</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-05-10 22:01 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Thanks for this reminder, Rafik. Noting that there has been no opposition expressed on the main Discuss list, I support the submission of this comment and extend my thanks to James and Matthew for drafting it.<span class="m_5884597744157961705HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span class="m_5884597744157961705HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div class="m_5884597744157961705m_2705691464641595468protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_5884597744157961705m_2705691464641595468protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>- Ayden <br></div></div><div class="m_5884597744157961705m_2705691464641595468protonmail_signature_block-proton m_5884597744157961705m_2705691464641595468protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div></font></span><blockquote class="m_5884597744157961705m_2705691464641595468protonmail_quote" type="cite"><span><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Proposed comments on BGC Changes - new link<br></div></span><span><div>Local Time: May 10, 2017 1:44 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: May 10, 2017 12:44 PM<br></div><div>From: <a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>To: Matthew Shears <<a href="mailto:matthew@intpolicy.com" target="_blank">matthew@intpolicy.com</a>><br></div><div>ncsg-pc <<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>><br></div><div><br></div></span><div><div class="m_5884597744157961705h5"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi all,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">the deadline for submission is less than 12 hours. if there is no objection by then, I think we can submit the comment. please respond asap.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div>Rafik<br></div><div> <br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>2017-05-10 13:03 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">hi all,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">this a reminder to get the votes/endorsement for the statement.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div>Rafik<br></div><div><div class="m_5884597744157961705m_2705691464641595468h5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>2017-05-09 22:57 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi Matt,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">thanks for the amendments,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">we need to endorse the comment within 24 hours. please, all PC members share your thoughts and if you endorsing or not the statement.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br></div><div><div class="m_5884597744157961705m_2705691464641595468m_5841759324376708712h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>2017-05-09 18:36 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matthew@intpolicy.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">matthew@intpolicy.com</a>></span>:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>Hi<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Would be good if I included the right link:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KPaILgBF3EhSGM2NmcyUlscuF77wDFxlgyOIebl1ZYo/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/docume<wbr>nt/d/1KPaILgBF3EhSGM2NmcyUlscu<wbr>F77wDFxlgyOIebl1ZYo/edit?usp=s<wbr>haring</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> Thanks to Ayden for noticing.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Matthew<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> On 09/05/2017 09:39, Matthew Shears wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>Hi all<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Based on the feedback I have substantially redrafted and shortened our submission.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Please edit in the doc.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://docs.google.com/a/thefactory21.com/document/d/1KPaILgBF3EhSGM2NmcyUlscuF77wDFxlgyOIebl1ZYo/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/a/thef<wbr>actory21.com/document/d/1KPaIL<wbr>gBF3EhSGM2NmcyUlscuF77wDFxlgyO<wbr>Iebl1ZYo/edit?usp=sharing</a> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> Deadline tomorrow Wed 10 23.59 UTC.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Matthew<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> On 08/05/2017 18:13, avri doria wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>observer view: sounds good<br></div><div> <br></div><div> not sure the last bullet is needed. the fact that we are doing this<br></div><div> through the proper process is good as a test but is that a reason for<br></div><div> doing it? but it seems ok to include it.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> avri<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> On 08-May-17 10:25, Matthew Shears wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>Thanks all for the comments.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Given the discussion, I am wondering whether or not we need to make a<br></div><div> submission on this (there is only one so far - from AFNIC).<br></div><div> <br></div><div> If we feel we do, we could in a short statement:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> * Endorse the proposal for the creation of the Board Accountability<br></div><div> Mechanisms Committee (BAMC)<br></div><div> * Recognize the importance of and the need to respect the process<br></div><div> for changing the fundamental bylaws<br></div><div> * State that the proposed change is a useful and non-controversial<br></div><div> way to engage and trial the associated accountability mechanisms<br></div><div> <br></div><div> What other points could be added?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Thanks.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Matthew<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> On 07/05/2017 07:58, David Cake wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>We need to fully respect the process for changing the fundamental bylaws. I have absolutely no problem with the proposed change to do so - and actually, I think an uncontroversial change like this is a good trial for those processes.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> I agree with Milton that while change is uncontroversial, it not only is it a fundamental bylaw, it is part of the accountability mechanisms, and we should insist that accountability mechanisms are changed only with due community process.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> While I think in general we should avoid micromanaging board internal processes to this extent, and I understand the reasoning behind taking mention of a specific board committee out of bylaws, in practice the current wording is a very simple and easy to understand change, and wording that removed mention of a specific committee would be more complex and potentially more ambiguous. If a committee was created specifically for dealing with Accountability processes, it's unlikely any future changes would be necessary (the board could effectively recombine committees in the future if it wished without a bylaws change IMO).<br></div><div> <br></div><div> David<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Sent from my iPad<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>On 6 May 2017, at 5:42 am, avri doria <<a href="mailto:avri@APC.ORG" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">avri@APC.ORG</a>> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> hi,<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Perhaps the problem is that we need to change the fundamental bylaws to<br></div><div> take deciding on board committees out of the fundamental bylaws.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> but in any case, got to do something about the bylaws.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> avri<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>On 05-May-17 15:23, Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Hi, Matt<br></div><div> <br></div><div> There is not, and should not be, any way around this. The problem is<br></div><div> not that ICANN needs a fundamental bylaw change to “create a new<br></div><div> committee,” it is that Article 4 sec 3 of the bylaws, which is<br></div><div> designated as “fundamental,” specifically names the BGC as the handler<br></div><div> of Reconsideration requests. (““The Board has designated the Board<br></div><div> Governance Committee to review and consider any such Reconsideration<br></div><div> Requests.”)<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> Article 4 is also the home of a lot of other “Accountability and<br></div><div> Review” stuff that we definitely do not want the board messing with<br></div><div> without community approval.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> So the board needs approval for this and should have to do through<br></div><div> this exercise. But if the board decides to create a new “Committee to<br></div><div> organize birthday celebrations” or a “Committee to Honor Snapping<br></div><div> Turtles” I don’t think there would be any problem.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> And going forward, I guess ICANN legal and the rest of us will be<br></div><div> mindful of future flexibility when deciding where to put things in the<br></div><div> bylaws.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> Dr. Milton L Mueller<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Professor, School of Public Policy <<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="http://spp.gatech.edu/" target="_blank">http://spp.gatech.edu/</a>><br></div><div> <br></div><div> Georgia Institute of Technology<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Internet Governance Project<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="http://internetgovernance.org/" target="_blank">http://internetgovernance.org/</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> One issue that has been raised is that it seems silly to have to have<br></div><div> a fundamental bylaw change for the Board to be able to create a new<br></div><div> committee. It is not clear that there is anyway around this but would<br></div><div> love to hear otherwise.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Looking forward to your comments.<br></div><div> <br></div></blockquote><div>---<br></div><div> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br></div><div> <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" target="_blank">https://www.avast.com/antiviru<wbr>s</a><br></div></blockquote><div>---<br></div><div> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.<br></div><div> <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="http://www.avg.com" target="_blank">http://www.avg.com</a><br></div><div> <br></div></blockquote><div>--<br></div><div> Matthew Shears<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:matthew@intpolicy.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">matthew@intpolicy.com</a><br></div><div> <a value="+447712472987" href="tel:%2B447712472987" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">+447712472987</a><br></div><div> Skype:mshears<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br></div><div> NCSG-PC mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is</a><br></div><div> <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc" target="_blank">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/ncsg-pc</a><br></div></blockquote><div>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br></div><div> NCSG-PC mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is</a><br></div><div> <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc" target="_blank">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/ncsg-pc</a><br></div></blockquote><div><span class="m_5884597744157961705m_2705691464641595468m_5841759324376708712m_-142905747799300392HOEnZb"><span class="m_5884597744157961705m_2705691464641595468colour" style="color:#888888"></span></span><br></div></blockquote><div><span class="m_5884597744157961705m_2705691464641595468m_5841759324376708712m_-142905747799300392HOEnZb"><span class="m_5884597744157961705m_2705691464641595468colour" style="color:#888888"><br>--<br> Matthew Shears<br> <a href="mailto:matthew@intpolicy.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">matthew@intpolicy.com</a><br> <a value="+447712472987" href="tel:%2B447712472987" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">+447712472987</a><br> Skype:mshears<br> <br> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br> NCSG-PC mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">NCSG-PC@lists.ncsg.is</a><br> <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc" target="_blank">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/ncsg-pc</a></span></span></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>