<div dir="auto">An organizations advice: you can always cancel the meetings. But you cannot add a meeting after the request for meetings deadline passed. So I suggest keep the numbers as is and if you see you don't need as many then cancel them. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 26 Apr 2017 04:24, "Ayden Férdeline" <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>These are great questions, Rafik. I really like Farzi's idea of coming together as the NCSG when we can. But I do wonder if we really need so many sessions together. If the answer is 'yes', I'll be there for them, but at first glance the four morning briefings, two PC meetings, four lunch-time meetings, and the NCUC's potential meeting with a few Board members strikes me all as a little excessive. Might we be able to cut the four morning briefings down to just the one on the morning of the 26th? (I note, however, that this would conflict with the multistakeholder ethos award presentation.) As for the lunchtime strategy briefings, can we also cut this down to one, perhaps on the 28th, as more of a mid-week catch up? I think this would be more manageable for us to arrange, and possibly ensure a larger turnout. <br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_-8886666393798042981protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-8886666393798042981protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Ayden <br></div></div><div class="m_-8886666393798042981protonmail_signature_block-proton m_-8886666393798042981protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-8886666393798042981protonmail_quote"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fw: Re: Sessions in Johannesburg?<br></div><div>Local Time: 26 April 2017 2:18 AM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 26 April 2017 01:18<br></div><div>From: <a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>To: farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div>ncsg-pc <<a href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><p class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-p1">Hi,<br></p><p class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-p1">Thanks Farzaneh for the requests draft.<br></p><p class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-p1">maybe just to set the expectations right here:<br></p><p class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-p1">- we are requesting 1 hour every morning for outreach AND policy discussion purpose. We should have that in mind in term of preparation and briefing about policy issues based on the day schedule since we need to include and involve newcomers while working on NCSG policy positions. Based on the GNSO preliminary block schedule (<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/icann59-draft-gnso-schedule-19apr17-en.pdf" target="_blank">https://gnso.icann.org/en/<wbr>drafts/icann59-draft-gnso-<wbr>schedule-19apr17-en.pdf</a>), several PDP session seems to start at 8:30 am which may create some conflicts.<br></p><p class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-p1">- 30min lunch daily meeting to reserve the slots and have that for whatever purpose. GNSO council may have a working lunch on Monday and the council public meeting will start 30min earlier on Wednesday.<br></p><p class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-p2">I guess we should also have in mind some logistical questions such as: is the venue near to the hotels or not (just to avoid the challenge of coming early to the venue) and also ensuring proper access to food if we don’t get catering :).<br></p><p class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-p1">the schedule will be busy anyway :) but I do think we have to prepare for those sessions if we are aiming for policy discussion and sharing the workload among us. the Policy Committee should organize and support those sessions.<br></p><p class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-p1">Best,<br></p><p class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-p1">Rafik<br></p><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>2017-04-26 7:00 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hi <br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Since I have a lot of time, I have written the NCSG meeting requests for Tapani's consideration to submit to Terri tomorrow. NCUC will participate in all of the NCSG meetings but we might have a couple of informal meetings separate from NCSG, I will ask for nonconflicting meetings. <br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Note that I have asked for all the meetings to be public and in the email to Terri we should be clear that we want meetings for all 4 days and they are not just for one day. <br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best <br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-HOEnZb"><span style="color:#888888" class="m_-8886666393798042981colour"><div><br></div><div><div class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="m_-8886666393798042981font">Farzaneh</span><br></div></div></div></div></span></span><div><div class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-h5"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Matthew Shears <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:matthew@intpolicy.com" target="_blank">matthew@intpolicy.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>+ 1<br></p><div><div class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664h5"><div><br></div><div class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123moz-cite-prefix">On 25/04/2017 21:35, farzaneh badii
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Martin, I think these
can be NCSG meetings which include both NCUC and NPOC. we
should say in the description of the meeting that NCSG, as
well as its constituencies, will hold these meetings but
strictly talk about policy and what at the NCSG level we are
working on. Based on each day GNSO program I think we could
brief the attendees on the issues and our strategies to tackle
the issue and also brief them on how we come up with
policies. <br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div><div class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="m_-8886666393798042981font">Farzaneh</span><br></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Martin
Pablo Silva Valent <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" target="_blank">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Maybe NPOC can pitch in
the outreach session as well, Poncelet can maybe bring
that idea back if we decide to merge NCSG session with
NCUC, after all they share some common audience.<br></div><span class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123HOEnZb"><span style="color:#888888" class="m_-8886666393798042981colour"><div><br></div></span></span><div><span class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123HOEnZb"><span style="color:#888888" class="m_-8886666393798042981colour"><div>Martin<br></div></span></span><div><div class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123h5"><div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Apr 25, 2017, at 4:11 PM, Matthew
Shears <<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:matthew@intpolicy.com" target="_blank">matthew@intpolicy.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>I support this approach - thanks!<br></p><div><br></div><div class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123m_880631133855115693moz-cite-prefix">On
25/04/2017 21:04, farzaneh badii wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hi
Kathy, all,<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Actually
it might make more sense to have
NCSG meetings and not have separate
NCUC meetings. Because from the
schedule I see, we cannot possibly
have meetings that do not conflict. <br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I
think Tapani wanted the slots for
Outreach policy practice in the
morning. which starts at 8.00 AM. If
we can have 1 hour of those every
day and prepare people for the rest
of the day that would be good. We
might have to just do 30 minutes
lunch breaks (as instructed by the
planning team) to either strategize
for the afternoon or meet with other
groups. <br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I
talked to EC members and they don't
mind merging with NCSG. I might
reserve a 30 minutes lunch break for
an informal meeting with some of the
board memebers but other than that I
think we will be ok if NCSG can
submit :<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">One
hour morning sessions (outreach and
policy strategy)<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">30
minutes during lunch breaks <br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">If
Tapani and the rest agree with that
I will not ask for separate time
slots for NCUC.<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> <br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div><div class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123m_880631133855115693gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="m_-8886666393798042981font">Farzaneh</span><br></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Apr
25, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Kathy Kleiman <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>Observer too to Farzi's
important suggestion -- with
follow-up.<br></p><p>Quick thought that we might
want to have a longer
NCUC/NCSG prep meeting (for
all NCSG attendees) early on
in the meeting. It would be
good to have an arc of all the
issues in Jo'burg we should be
thinking about -- and give
people some time to think,
research and read for a day
before jumping into a WG
discussion. <br></p><p>- So 30 minute AM meetings
for the daily briefing<br></p><p>- Occasional lunch sessions,
including one with Board
members<br></p><p>- An initial hour meeting at
the very start (Monday AM?) to
provide an arc of the issues
we need to work on together in
this meeting.<br></p><p>Best, Kathy<br></p><div><div class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123m_880631133855115693h5"><div><br></div><div class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123m_880631133855115693m_-2420542450142672992moz-cite-prefix">On
4/25/2017 2:19 PM,
farzaneh badii wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hello PC<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Observer here: for NCUC, not to
make a very busy
schedule
unnecessarily busier,
I will send requests
for 30 minutes morning
sessions and 45
minutes lunch break
sessions. Since I will
not be there I would
like some of the NCUC
members on NCSG PC
members to lead the
discussions and
prepare our members
for each day. We might
also arrange a 45
minutes board meeting
for NCUC during a
lunch break.Please
keep this in mind
before submitting your
requests, we don't
want to have schedule
conflicts with NCSG.
If you want to also
have similar half an
hour morning sessions
on policy strategy and
outreach, let me know
perhaps just joining
NCSG meeting in the
morning is wiser.<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div><div class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123m_880631133855115693m_-2420542450142672992gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="m_-8886666393798042981font">Farzaneh</span><br></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On
Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at
11:14 AM, Tapani
Tarvainen <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" target="_blank">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I'm
fine with an extra
PC session - at
least we can ask.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Could somebody come
up with a title and
description for it?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Deadline is
tomorrow, and I'll
be traveling most of
the day,<br></div><div> like today (now in
train) - I'll
finalize this
tomorrow evening.<br></div><div> <span class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123m_880631133855115693m_-2420542450142672992HOEnZb"><span style="color:#888888" class="m_-8886666393798042981colour"><br> Tapani<br> </span></span> </div><div class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123m_880631133855115693m_-2420542450142672992HOEnZb"><div class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123m_880631133855115693m_-2420542450142672992h5"><div><br></div><div>On Apr 25 17:59,
Rafik Dammak (<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>)
wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><div> > Hi Ayden,<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > yes, we can
do that. It is
at the end a
policy forum so
discussing the<br></div><div> > scheduled
topics and
sessions, and
planning
response to
public comments
and<br></div><div> > positions
makes sense.<br></div><div> > I assume
that should be
on the last day
so can we have
it as kind of<br></div><div> > wrap-up
session.<br></div><div> > Best,<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > Rafik<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> ><br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > 2017-04-25
17:21 GMT+09:00
Ayden Férdeline
<<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>:<br></div><div> ><br></div><div> > >
Resending this,
as the PC list
dropped off
inadvertently.<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > -
Ayden<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > >
--------
Original Message
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Subject: Re:
[NCSG-PC]
Sessions in
Johannesburg?<br></div><div> > > Local
Time: 25 April
2017 9:20 AM<br></div><div> > > UTC
Time: 25 April
2017 08:20<br></div><div> > > From: <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a><br></div><div> > > To:
Rafik Dammak
<<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > Hi,<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > While
I am open to
meeting with
other groups if
time permits, I
am<br></div><div> > >
wondering if it
might be more
useful having
two PC meetings
--- one of<br></div><div> > > which
could be solely
for discussing
upcoming public
comments,
allocating<br></div><div> > > them,
and formulating
our positions?<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > Best
wishes,<br></div><div> > ><br></div><div> > > Ayden<br></div></div></div><div class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123m_880631133855115693m_-2420542450142672992HOEnZb"><div class="m_-8886666393798042981gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123m_880631133855115693m_-2420542450142672992h5"><div>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br></div><div> NCSG-PC mailing
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