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<p class="gmail-p1">Hi,</p>
<p class="gmail-p1">Thanks Farzaneh for the requests draft.</p><p class="gmail-p1">maybe just to set the expectations right here:</p>
<p class="gmail-p1">- we are requesting 1 hour every morning for outreach AND policy discussion purpose. We should have that in mind in term of preparation and briefing about policy issues based on the day schedule since we need to include and involve newcomers while working on NCSG policy positions. Based on the GNSO preliminary block schedule (<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/icann59-draft-gnso-schedule-19apr17-en.pdf">https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/icann59-draft-gnso-schedule-19apr17-en.pdf</a>), several PDP session seems to start at 8:30 am which may create some conflicts.</p>
<p class="gmail-p1">- 30min lunch daily meeting to reserve the slots and have that for whatever purpose. GNSO council may have a working lunch on Monday and the council public meeting will start 30min earlier on Wednesday.</p>
<p class="gmail-p2">I guess we should also have in mind some logistical questions such as: is the venue near to the hotels or not (just to avoid the challenge of coming early to the venue) and also ensuring proper access to food if we don’t get catering :).</p>
<p class="gmail-p1">the schedule will be busy anyway :) but I do think we have to prepare for those sessions if we are aiming for policy discussion and sharing the workload among us. the Policy Committee should organize and support those sessions.</p>
<p class="gmail-p1">Best,</p>
<p class="gmail-p1">Rafik</p>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-04-26 7:00 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hi </div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Since I have a lot of time, I have written the NCSG meeting requests for Tapani's consideration to submit to  Terri tomorrow. NCUC will participate in all of the NCSG meetings but we might have a couple of informal meetings separate from NCSG, I will ask for nonconflicting meetings. </div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Note that I have asked for all the meetings to be public and in the email to Terri we should be clear that we want meetings for all 4 days and they are not just for one day. </div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail-m_-3781705806444017664gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div></font></span><div><div class="gmail-h5">
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Matthew Shears <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matthew@intpolicy.com" target="_blank">matthew@intpolicy.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div class="gmail-m_-3781705806444017664m_-8245941477968161123moz-cite-prefix">On 25/04/2017 21:35, farzaneh badii
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        <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Martin,  I think these
          can be  NCSG meetings which include both NCUC and NPOC. we
          should say in the description of the meeting that NCSG, as
          well as its constituencies, will hold these meetings but
          strictly talk about policy and what at the NCSG level we are
          working on. Based on each day GNSO program I think we could
          brief the attendees on the issues and our strategies to tackle
          the issue and also brief them on how we come up with
          policies. </div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Martin
          Pablo Silva Valent <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com" target="_blank">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</a>></span>
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            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Maybe NPOC can pitch in
              the outreach session as well, Poncelet can maybe bring
              that idea back if we decide to merge NCSG session with
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                          <div>On Apr 25, 2017, at 4:11 PM, Matthew
                            Shears <<a href="mailto:matthew@intpolicy.com" target="_blank">matthew@intpolicy.com</a>>
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                              <p>I support this approach - thanks!<br>
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                                25/04/2017 21:04, farzaneh badii wrote:<br>
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                                  <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hi
                                    Kathy, all,</div>
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                                  <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Actually
                                     it might make more sense to have
                                    NCSG meetings and not have separate
                                    NCUC meetings. Because from the
                                    schedule I see, we cannot possibly
                                    have meetings that do not conflict. </div>
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                                  <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I
                                    think Tapani wanted the slots for
                                    Outreach policy practice in the
                                    morning. which starts at 8.00 AM. If
                                    we can have 1 hour of those every
                                    day and prepare people for the rest
                                    of the day that would be good. We
                                    might have to just do 30 minutes
                                    lunch breaks (as instructed by the
                                    planning team) to either strategize
                                    for the afternoon or meet with other
                                    groups. </div>
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                                  <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I
                                    talked to EC members and they don't
                                    mind merging with NCSG. I might
                                    reserve a 30 minutes lunch break for
                                    an informal meeting with some of the
                                    board memebers but other than that I
                                    think we will be ok if NCSG can
                                    submit :</div>
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                                  <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">One
                                    hour morning sessions (outreach and
                                    policy strategy)</div>
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                                  <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">30
                                    minutes during lunch breaks </div>
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                                  <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">If
                                    Tapani and the rest agree with that
                                    I will not ask for separate time
                                    slots for NCUC.</div>
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                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr
                                    25, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Kathy Kleiman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>></span>
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                                        <p>Observer too to Farzi's
                                          important suggestion -- with
                                          follow-up.</p>
                                        <p>Quick thought that we might
                                          want to have a longer
                                          NCUC/NCSG prep meeting (for
                                          all NCSG attendees) early on
                                          in the meeting. It would be
                                          good to have an arc of all the
                                          issues in Jo'burg we should be
                                          thinking about -- and give
                                          people some time to think,
                                          research and read for a day
                                          before jumping into a WG
                                          discussion.  <br>
                                        </p>
                                        <p>- So 30 minute AM meetings
                                          for the daily briefing</p>
                                        <p>- Occasional lunch sessions,
                                          including one with Board
                                          members<br>
                                        </p>
                                        <p>- An initial hour meeting at
                                          the very start (Monday AM?) to
                                          provide an arc of the issues
                                          we need to work on together in
                                          this meeting.</p>
                                        <p>Best, Kathy<br>
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                                              4/25/2017 2:19 PM,
                                              farzaneh badii wrote:<br>
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                                                <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hello PC</div>
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                                                <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Observer here: for NCUC, not to
                                                  make a very busy
                                                  schedule
                                                  unnecessarily busier,
                                                  I will send requests
                                                  for 30 minutes morning
                                                  sessions and 45
                                                  minutes lunch break
                                                  sessions. Since I will
                                                  not be there I would
                                                  like some of the NCUC
                                                  members on NCSG PC
                                                  members to lead the
                                                  discussions and
                                                  prepare our members
                                                  for each day. We might
                                                  also arrange a 45
                                                  minutes board meeting
                                                  for NCUC during a
                                                  lunch break.Please
                                                  keep this in mind
                                                  before submitting your
                                                  requests, we don't
                                                  want to have schedule
                                                  conflicts with NCSG.
                                                  If you want to also
                                                  have similar half an
                                                  hour morning sessions
                                                  on policy strategy and
                                                  outreach, let me know
                                                  perhaps just joining
                                                  NCSG meeting in the
                                                  morning is wiser.</div>
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                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at
                                                  11:14 AM, Tapani
                                                  Tarvainen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" target="_blank">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>></span>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I'm
                                                    fine with an extra
                                                    PC session - at
                                                    least we can ask.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Could somebody come
                                                    up with a title and
                                                    description for it?<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Deadline is
                                                    tomorrow, and I'll
                                                    be traveling most of
                                                    the day,<br>
                                                    like today (now in
                                                    train) - I'll
                                                    finalize this
                                                    tomorrow evening.<br>
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                                                        Tapani<br>
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                                                        On Apr 25 17:59,
                                                        Rafik Dammak (<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>)
                                                        wrote:<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        > Hi Ayden,<br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        > yes, we can
                                                        do that. It is
                                                        at the end a
                                                        policy forum so
                                                        discussing the<br>
                                                        > scheduled
                                                        topics and
                                                        sessions, and
                                                        planning
                                                        response to
                                                        public comments
                                                        and<br>
                                                        > positions
                                                        makes sense.<br>
                                                        > I assume
                                                        that should be
                                                        on the last day
                                                        so can we have
                                                        it as kind of<br>
                                                        > wrap-up
                                                        session.<br>
                                                        > Best,<br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        > Rafik<br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        > 2017-04-25
                                                        17:21 GMT+09:00
                                                        Ayden Férdeline
                                                        <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>:<br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        > >
                                                        Resending this,
                                                        as the PC list
                                                        dropped off
                                                        inadvertently.<br>
                                                        > ><br>
                                                        > > -
                                                        Ayden<br>
                                                        > ><br>
                                                        > ><br>
                                                        > >
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                                                        > >
                                                        Subject: Re:
                                                        [NCSG-PC]
                                                        Sessions in
                                                        Johannesburg?<br>
                                                        > > Local
                                                        Time: 25 April
                                                        2017 9:20 AM<br>
                                                        > > UTC
                                                        Time: 25 April
                                                        2017 08:20<br>
                                                        > > From:
                                                        <a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a><br>
                                                        > > To:
                                                        Rafik Dammak
                                                        <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                                        > ><br>
                                                        > > Hi,<br>
                                                        > ><br>
                                                        > > While
                                                        I am open to
                                                        meeting with
                                                        other groups if
                                                        time permits, I
                                                        am<br>
                                                        > >
                                                        wondering if it
                                                        might be more
                                                        useful having
                                                        two PC meetings
                                                        --- one of<br>
                                                        > > which
                                                        could be solely
                                                        for discussing
                                                        upcoming public
                                                        comments,
                                                        allocating<br>
                                                        > > them,
                                                        and formulating
                                                        our positions?<br>
                                                        > ><br>
                                                        > > Best
                                                        wishes,<br>
                                                        > ><br>
                                                        > > Ayden<br>
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