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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">This comment is
unfair, in my view, Tapani. It was not a long, secret
discussion. I asked the question on the public list at 19:58
amsterdam time, as you can see below. Stefi responded at
15:03 EDT that contestants should be removed. I put together
the list and forgot you (sorry, but these things happen, it
was not deliberate) at16:04 EDT, asking if I had forgotten
anyone. I added you the next morning after Matt pointed out I
forgot you at 10:23 EDT. I have forwarded three messages you
missed. At any point you could have fired off an email
inquiring about the discussion, and whether you had been
omitted, had you noticed that the discussion on the PC list
had died following what appeared to be agreement to remove
candidates. I don't really think the decision making on that
was not transparent.<br>
As I indicated earlier, it is only fair to add the other two
contestants to the discussion, now that it is on the PC list.
I do not believe they are members. Accordingly, I am adding
Renata and Kris.....Welcome to the discussion on the Policy
Committee list regarding choosing our representatives for the
GNSO Standing Selection Committee.<br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Cheers Stephanie<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-03-27 15:52, Tapani Tarvainen
wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Dear all,
As it turns out the councillors involved in the decision had had long
email discussion about it without including me, I will stay out of
this decision and leave it to them to decide it as they see fit.
I will only say for the record that while I accept that non-public
discussions are sometimes necessary, I'd want them in any case to be
publicly known about. Perhaps we need a setup like the NomCom to be
able to debate and make this kind of decisions without publicity, but
if so I'd want that and related procedures to be agreed on in advance.
In any case I'm happy Matthew has taken the responsibility of
this and I trust he gets it done in time.
Tapani
On Mar 27 10:19, Stephanie Perrin (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>) wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I just meant that the discussion about the candidates should take place
without the candidates there. Further, we have two candidates who are not
on the policy list, so we would in fairness have to add them if we were
going to have an open discussion on the PC list.
I think we should leave this an NCSG discussion and make all arguments based
on what makes the best slate of candidates.
SP
On 2017-03-27 02:08, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hi Stefania and Stephanie,
I'm not sure what you mean by removing the contestants from the
conversation. Do you want to exclude them from even listening in?
If we have a call around this, should it not be recorded and
transcribed?
That would not ... be exactly transparent.
Otherwise, I agree they should not participate in the discussion about
the selection in general, but giving each an equal chance to make
their case would make sense. If we do arrange a call, giving each,
say, 5 minutes to speak might work.
A candidate statement would be nice, but time is perhaps too short for
that already.
As for the qualifications, two points:
First, ncuc/npoc/ncsg division: I don't see we can do more than
ensure there is at least one from each constituency, with the third
we can do whatever we like.
Second, besides qualifications already mentioned I think it'd make
sense to consider the workload. It might be better to pick a person
over another who'd be otherwise more qualified but who has more work
on her or his plate already.
Tapani
On Mar 26 19:03, Milan, Stefania (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu">Stefania.Milan@EUI.eu</a>) wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Thanks, Steph.
I think the contestants should be removed from the conversation.
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Da: NCSG-PC <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces@lists.ncsg.is"><ncsg-pc-bounces@lists.ncsg.is></a> per conto di Stephanie Perrin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a>
Inviato: domenica 26 marzo 2017 19.58.50
A: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>
Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Interest in GNSO SSC
So we have a day left to get this sorted.
1. Should the contestants be removed from the discussion or not?
2. Do we have further commentary on what the qualifying characteristics we are looking for might be?
3. While we have argued for a seat for NPOC, NCUC and NCSG, that actually might be hard to achieve. I dont think anyone will argue about how we sort this, as long as we arent going to try to fight it out at Council.
SP
On 2017-03-25 20:00, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org"><mailto:mshears@cdt.org></a> wrote:
Hi
The deadline for names is end of day 27 march.
So far we have diversity, experience and representativeness including of constituencies as criteria.
My preference would be for the PC members who are not running to discuss the candidates based on these criteria and try and reach agreement. If that is not possible or appropriate we can each suggest our preferred trio and see if we have any rough consensus. Other suggestions are welcome.
Matthew
Sent from my Windows 10 phone
From: Stephanie Perrin<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a>
Sent: 25 March 2017 15:44
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is"><mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is></a>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Interest in GNSO SSC
What is the deadline again, and how are we arranging the voting?
cheers Stephanie
On 2017-03-25 03:24, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
Hi Ayden,
I agree that diversity is indeed important. I would like to add that
for that reason we should also have both of our constituencies
represented.
I'm not so sure if this would be a good place for a newcomer though,
I'd like appointees to have at least some experience in this type of
work, even if perhaps not so much in ICANN.
Tapani
On Mar 24 12:33, Ayden Férdeline (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"><mailto:icann@ferdeline.com></a>) wrote:
My personal preference would be to adopt principles similar to those of the SSC, which entails trying to achieve a balance of representativeness, diversity, and sufficient experience. So I would hope our three representatives have a mixture of experience levels within the ICANN community (I would welcome there being one slot set aside for a newcomer), diversity (I would not support all three candidates being the same gender, if all candidates are sufficiently qualified), and representativeness (ideally the three representatives will be from different geographic regions though I appreciate this is an imperfect metric). Or is this too simplistic a rubric for assessing the candidates?
- Ayden
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 4:23 pm, matthew shears <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org"><mshears@cdt.org></a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org"><mailto:mshears@cdt.org></a> wrote:
Hi
Given that Renata expressed an interest before the deadline yesterday and that she has been having Internet challenges I believe that we should add her candidacy to the mix.
Please respond to the e-mail on process I sent earlier. Obviously now with 5 candidates it is perhaps less clear that the "alternates" approach works.
I would appreciate therefore that we agree a set of criteria for the selection process. Thoughts welcome.
Matthew
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Subject: Interest in GNSO SSC
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:13:52 -0300
From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro [<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com"><raquino@gmail.com></a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com"><mailto:raquino@gmail.com></a>](<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com">mailto:raquino@gmail.com</a>)
To: Matthew Shears [<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org"><mshears@cdt.org></a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org"><mailto:mshears@cdt.org></a>](<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mailto:mshears@cdt.org</a>)
Dear Matthew
I'd like to express interest in serving as a volunteer on the GNSO Standing Selection Committee.
I've joined several working groups on ICANN and have learned about the GNSO work in 3 fellowship opportunities so far (1 as a fellow and 2 as coach) and also participated as NCUC supported traveller in ICANN55.
I've also been on working groups related to reviews and procedures such as GNSO Review and past working group SCI.
This would be an opportunity to learn more about working groups, teams and appointments and also to help other community members who want to get more involved to find their way into GNSO.
My SOI
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Renata+Aquino+Ribeiro+SOI">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Renata+Aquino+Ribeiro+SOI</a>
I had the impression I had sent this email before but you didn't receive it. There are several flaws on my internet connection in Brazil this week so please let me know if you received it and if there is still time for this application.
Thanks
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:40:59 +0200
From: Tapani Tarvainen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO"><ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO></a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO"><mailto:ncsg@TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO></a>
Subject: Call for volunteers - GNSO Standing Selection Committee - URGENT
Dear all,
See below. We need to appoint three (3) members to the SSC.
If you are interested and would like to volunteer for the task,
please let us know no later than Thursday, 23 March, 23:59 UTC.
Please read the council decision linked to below and explain why you
think you would be qualified for the task.
Note that there's no travel support, this is all done remotely, and
it looks like there will be a fair amount of work involved - make
sure you can commit yourself to the time required.
--
Tapani Tarvainen
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Dear All,
On 15 March, the GNSO Council adopted the charter for the GNSO
Standing Selection Committee (SSC) – see
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/draft-standing-selection-committee-15mar17-en.pdf">https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/draft-standing-selection-committee-15mar17-en.pdf</a>[gnso.icann.org] <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_draft-2Dstanding-2Dselection-2Dcommittee-2D15mar17-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=KmYsfcYHwH-JYXWIJ58L-ZnwETFBe1FrVJ8qghEsRV8&s=GmTt0n-0Bp3olHk5awt9BtmGRrEZnY7TI9fF4Fnvcy4&e="><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_draft-2Dstanding-2Dselection-2Dcommittee-2D15mar17-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=KmYsfcYHwH-JYXWIJ58L-ZnwETFBe1FrVJ8qghEsRV8&s=GmTt0n-0Bp3olHk5awt9BtmGRrEZnY7TI9fF4Fnvcy4&e= ></a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_draft-2Dstanding-2Dselection-2Dcommittee-2D15mar17-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=KmYsfcYHwH-JYXWIJ58L-ZnwETFBe1FrVJ8qghEsRV8&s=GmTt0n-0Bp3olHk5awt9BtmGRrEZnY7TI9fF4Fnvcy4&e="><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_draft-2Dstanding-2Dselection-2Dcommittee-2D15mar17-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=KmYsfcYHwH-JYXWIJ58L-ZnwETFBe1FrVJ8qghEsRV8&s=GmTt0n-0Bp3olHk5awt9BtmGRrEZnY7TI9fF4Fnvcy4&e=></a>.
The SSC is tasked, as requested by the GNSO Council, to 1), where
applicable, prepare and issue calls for applications related to the
selection or nomination of candidates for ICANN structures such as
ICANN review teams as well as structures related to the Empowered
Community, 2) review and evaluate all relevant applicants/candidates,
3) rank candidates and make selection/appointment recommendations for
review and approval by Council and 4) communicate selections to all
interested parties.
The membership structure of the SSC is as follows:
The SSC shall consist of a total of 9 members appointed as follows:
- One member appointed by each Stakeholder Group of the Contracted Party House;
- One member appointed respectively from each of the Business Constituency, the Intellectual Property Constituency, and the Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency;
- Three members appointed by the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group; and,
- One member from one of the three Nominating-Committee appointees to the GNSO Council.
The GNSO Council has tasked the SSC to carry out the review and
selection of GNSO endorsed candidates for the Registration Directory
Service Review Team for Council consideration at the latest by its 20
April 2017 meeting. Furthermore, the GNSO Council has tasked the SSC
to develop the criteria and the process for the selection of the GNSO
Representative to the Empowered Community for GNSO Council
consideration by its June 2017 meeting.
Your respective groups are requested to communicate their member(s) to
the SSC to the GNSO Secretariat
(<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org"><mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org></a>)<mailto: [g <mailto: [g <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nso-secs@<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[gnso-secs@icann.org](mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org))"><mailto: [g nso-secs@icann.org](mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org))></a><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[gnso-secs@icann.org]%28mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org%29%29"><mailto:[gnso-secs@icann.org]%28mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org%29%29></a> by 27 March at the
latest. A first meeting of the SSC will be scheduled for Thursday 30
March at 16.00 UTC.
Best regards,
Marika Konings
Vice President, Policy Development Support – GNSO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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