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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I support.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Steph</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-03-24 04:32, Ayden Férdeline
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Thank you for the edits, Avri. I have accepted nearly all of them,
and commented in the document where I have not.
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<div>I would now like to collect <span style="background-color:
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">individual PC signatories [Observers
are welcome to sign on, too]. </span>
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<div>Unless I hear objections otherwise, I propose that if 2/3 of
PC members sign on, this statement be adopted as the NCSG
statement. If it is not adopted, those who express their support
on the list now will be named as signatories, and of course
non-PC members may sign on too. Thanks. </div>
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<div>Best wishes, <br>
<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"></span>
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<div id="protonmail_mobile_signature_block">Ayden </div>
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On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 4:00 am, avri doria <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avri@apc.org"
class="">avri@apc.org</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite">Hi, <br>
<br>
I thank you taking on the thankless task of writing the
first draft. As <br>
you know I had many issues with that first draft, and do
believe I was <br>
specific about what those were. <br>
<br>
In any case, the rework Stephanie did has made it much
easier for me to <br>
not object (i know i don't have a vote, just a voice). I
have layered <br>
some more edits on Stephanie's revision. While I still do
not agree <br>
with everything it says, I know that the things I have
problems with are <br>
things others in the NCSG probably support and do not have
an objection <br>
to them, though in some cases I have tried to make it a
bit more diplomatic. <br>
<br>
I hope my suggested edits are acceptable. <br>
<br>
avri <br>
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On 23-Mar-17 19:09, Ayden Férdeline wrote: <br>
> The statement is still a work in progress, and is not
complete. I will <br>
> continue working on it tonight, and encourage others
to share feedback <br>
> on how they believe it should be edited so they are
comfortable with it. <br>
> <br>
> Whether or not the PC endorses it is a discussion to
be had tomorrow, <br>
> once it is in a more complete stage. Certainly I
would hope an <br>
> endorsement was forthcoming, but if it isn't, I also
understand that <br>
> is a possible outcome. <br>
> <br>
> If people would like to have a substantive discussion
on the comments, <br>
> it would actually make it a lot easier to write so
please feel free to <br>
> do so... :-) <br>
> <br>
> That said, if someone does not wish to endorse the
comments, it would <br>
> be helpful to know specifically what within the text
they do not support. <br>
> <br>
> Yes, these comments have been written quickly and
there has not been <br>
> much time for discussion, but we do not have a
documented process for <br>
> seeking the PC's endorsement and I have been on the
PC for fewer than <br>
> 3 months. Until such time as there is a process, all
I can do is <br>
> propose text in the hopes that others will jump in
and offer <br>
> constructive thoughts on a different direction to be
taken, if <br>
> applicable. <br>
> <br>
> Ayden <br>
> <br>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- <br>
> From: matthew shears <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org"><mailto:mshears@cdt.org></a>> <br>
> Date: On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:27 pm <br>
> Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: [DRAFT] NCSG Statement on the
ALAC Review <br>
> To: PC-NCSG <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pc-ncsg@ipjustice.org">pc-ncsg@ipjustice.org</a> <br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pc-ncsg@ipjustice.org"><mailto:pc-ncsg@ipjustice.org></a>>,Ayden
Férdeline <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a> <br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"><mailto:icann@ferdeline.com></a>> <br>
> CC: <br>
>> <br>
>> Hi all <br>
>> <br>
>> I am conscious of the impending deadline for
these comments <br>
>> (tomorrow). I recognize that Ayden has put time
and thought into <br>
>> proposing comments for NCSG's consideration. This
said, we have had <br>
>> no substantive discussion of these comments and
their merit on the <br>
>> list or in the PC, nor have we had,
realistically, sufficient time to <br>
>> do so. Because of this I do not feel that I, as a
member of the PC, <br>
>> can endorse these comments for NCSG. <br>
>> <br>
>> The NCSG PC should have a better process in place
for ensuring that <br>
>> there is time to do so in the future and we will,
hopefully, be <br>
>> rectifying this promptly. <br>
>> <br>
>> Matthew <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> On 23/03/2017 11:33, matthew shears wrote: <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Hello PC <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Teeing this up as comments are due tomorrow.
Please review these <br>
>>> suggested inputs carefully. <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Related docs can be found here. <br>
>>> <br>
>>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/atlarge-review-draft-report-2017-02-01-en">https://www.icann.org/public-comments/atlarge-review-draft-report-2017-02-01-en</a>
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>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Your thoughts/suggestions in the google doc
(below) are appreciated <br>
>>> asap. <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Thanks. <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Matthew <br>
>>> <br>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- <br>
>>> Subject: [DRAFT] NCSG Statement on the ALAC
Review <br>
>>> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:52:33 -0400 <br>
>>> From: Ayden Férdeline
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:icann@FERDELINE.COM"><icann@FERDELINE.COM></a> <br>
>>> Reply-To: Ayden Férdeline
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"><icann@ferdeline.com></a> <br>
>>> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Greetings all, <br>
>>> <br>
>>> I have drafted up on Google Docs <br>
>>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZgdafZs4KBENsb-Kl9GO0l_Bh4gYdQd6F-ORpZPr27s/edit?usp=sharing"><https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZgdafZs4KBENsb-Kl9GO0l_Bh4gYdQd6F-ORpZPr27s/edit?usp=sharing></a>
<br>
>>> some comments on behalf of the NCSG regarding
the Review of the <br>
>>> At-Large community. This is a really rough
draft, and I'd welcome <br>
>>> your feedback on what arguments should be
refined, what I might have <br>
>>> missed, or what we might want to remain
silent on. I'm not happy <br>
>>> with it at the moment, but I figured it would
be better to get some <br>
>>> words down onto paper, and we can refine this
together... so please <br>
>>> take a read of the proposed statement here <br>
>>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZgdafZs4KBENsb-Kl9GO0l_Bh4gYdQd6F-ORpZPr27s/edit?usp=sharing"><https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZgdafZs4KBENsb-Kl9GO0l_Bh4gYdQd6F-ORpZPr27s/edit?usp=sharing></a>,
<br>
>>> with the understanding that it's definitely a
work-in-progress. And <br>
>>> please share your thoughts, either in the
document itself or on this <br>
>>> mailing list! <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Comments are due in three days, so we don't
have too long to get <br>
>>> this together unfortunately. You can read the
draft report here <br>
>>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/atlarge-review-draft-report-31jan17-en.pdf"><https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/atlarge-review-draft-report-31jan17-en.pdf></a>
(PDF <br>
>>> link) if you haven't seen it already. <br>
>>> <br>
>>> /A friendly note to those ALAC members who
read the NCSG mailing <br>
>>> list: this statement is a work-in-progress,
it has not been endorsed <br>
>>> yet by the NCSG Policy Committee, and it will
likely change between <br>
>>> now and the time it is submitted (if it is
submitted)./ <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Best wishes, <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Ayden Férdeline <br>
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>> <br>
>> -- <br>
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