<div>I don't quite like the final document either - but we are all equally unhappy with it, it seems :-)</div>
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</div>On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 8:51 pm, Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info" class="">ncsg@tapani.tarvainen.info</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite">Not perfect but good enough for me.
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<br />Thanks for the work you've put in this, Ayden.
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<br />Tapani
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<br />On Mar 23 22:01, Ayden Férdeline (icann@ferdeline.com) wrote:
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<br />> Thank you for the kind words, Stephanie, and for the helpful edits. A new draft of the proposed statement is now available. It would be appreciated if everyone could please review it, and propose alternative text if and where applicable.
This is a very different document than you may have reviewed a few hours ago.
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<br />> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZgdafZs4KBENsb-Kl9GO0l_Bh4gYdQd6F-ORpZPr27s
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<br />> Best,
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<br />> Ayden
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<br />> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:24 am, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
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<br />> ANd I forgot to say, many thanks to Ayden for slogging away on this!! the report was a beast to get through, and pulling this together a hard task. Don't worry I think we can still get a shorter perhaps comment if a few of us can pull together
and put in some comments. Dont everybody disappear tomorrow on a Friday break....
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<br />> Stephanie
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<br />> On 2017-03-23 20:20, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
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<br />> I just spent some time commenting. I would suggest that we keep working on them, try to develop a more positive tone that indicates our shared experience.....but we are not going to get people to sign up for drafting comments if we reject
them. Folks are always going to be too busy to engage in a fulsome discussion.
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<br />> Happy to hear about a better process....but in the meantime, better to fix this and boil it down to a couple of pages we can agree on than to give up, in my view....
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<br />> cheers Stephanie
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<br />> PS I think you used the old address so I included the new one....
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<br />> On 2017-03-23 18:27, matthew shears wrote:
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<br />> Hi all
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<br />> I am conscious of the impending deadline for these comments (tomorrow). I recognize that Ayden has put time and thought into proposing comments for NCSG's consideration. This said, we have had no substantive discussion of these comments and
their merit on the list or in the PC, nor have we had, realistically, sufficient time to do so. Because of this I do not feel that I, as a member of the PC, can endorse these comments for NCSG.
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<br />> The NCSG PC should have a better process in place for ensuring that there is time to do so in the future and we will, hopefully, be rectifying this promptly.
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<br />> Matthew
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<br />> On 23/03/2017 11:33, matthew shears wrote:
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<br />> Hello PC
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<br />> Teeing this up as comments are due tomorrow. Please review these suggested inputs carefully.
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<br />> Related docs can be found here.
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<br />> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/atlarge-review-draft-report-2017-02-01-en
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<br />> Your thoughts/suggestions in the google doc (below) are appreciated asap.
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<br />> Thanks.
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<br />> Matthew
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<br />> -------- Forwarded Message --------
<br />> Subject: [DRAFT] NCSG Statement on the ALAC Review
<br />> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:52:33 -0400
<br />> From: Ayden Férdeline [<icann@FERDELINE.COM>](mailto:icann@FERDELINE.COM)
<br />> Reply-To: Ayden Férdeline [<icann@ferdeline.com>](mailto:icann@ferdeline.com)
<br />> To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
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<br />> Greetings all,
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<br />> I have drafted up [on Google Docs](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZgdafZs4KBENsb-Kl9GO0l_Bh4gYdQd6F-ORpZPr27s/edit?usp=sharing) some comments on behalf of the NCSG regarding the Review of the At-Large community. This is a really rough
draft, and I'd welcome your feedback on what arguments should be refined, what I might have missed, or what we might want to remain silent on. I'm not happy with it at the moment, but I figured it would be better to get some words down onto paper,
and we can refine this together... so please take a read of the [proposed statement here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZgdafZs4KBENsb-Kl9GO0l_Bh4gYdQd6F-ORpZPr27s/edit?usp=sharing), with the understanding that it's definitely a work-in-progress.
And please share your thoughts, either in the document itself or on this mailing list!
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<br />> Comments are due in three days, so we don't have too long to get this together unfortunately. You can [read the draft report here](https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/atlarge-review-draft-report-31jan17-en.pdf) (PDF link) if you haven't
seen it already.
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<br />> A friendly note to those ALAC members who read the NCSG mailing list: this statement is a work-in-progress, it has not been endorsed yet by the NCSG Policy Committee, and it will likely change between now and the time it is submitted (if
it is submitted).
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<br />> Best wishes,
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<br />> Ayden Férdeline
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