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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I tend to agree with
Avri and is not really a useful comment on the paper, is it? <br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">No point in starting a
war with an inflammatory comment IMHO.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Steph</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-03-24 08:00, avri doria wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Hi,
Thank you for accepting most of the edits.
I read through it again since I could not find the notes on the edits
you did not accept. Found 2 more typos while doing it that I have
suggested edits for.
Also I see you retained:
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<pre wrap="">*We are hesitant to note - but feel an obligation to lay this fact on
the table - that the NCSG accomplishes as much, if not more, than
At-Large does, while receiving only a fraction of the support.*
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to which I commented:
This is boastful, and unverifiable. I wonder if it is true. And wonder
what the metrics are for determining this.Also as pointed out a few
times in terms of budget, the ALC/At-Large is the equivalent,
organizationally of G-Council and GSNO. I think it adds nothing but
fight to the note. . If budgets and output are to be compared, that
would be a more appropriate comparison.Not that I recommend saying that
either. It is not a competition.
In any case, as an observer, at this point will not object to this
comment as currently offered.
Avri
On 24-Mar-17 04:32, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Thank you for the edits, Avri. I have accepted nearly all of them, and
commented in the document where I have not.
I would now like to collect individual PC signatories [Observers are
welcome to sign on, too].
Unless I hear objections otherwise, I propose that if 2/3 of PC
members sign on, this statement be adopted as the NCSG statement. If
it is not adopted, those who express their support on the list now
will be named as signatories, and of course non-PC members may sign on
too. Thanks.
Best wishes,
Ayden
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 4:00 am, avri doria <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:avri@apc.org">avri@apc.org</a>
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<pre wrap="">Hi,
I thank you taking on the thankless task of writing the first draft. As
you know I had many issues with that first draft, and do believe I was
specific about what those were.
In any case, the rework Stephanie did has made it much easier for me to
not object (i know i don't have a vote, just a voice). I have layered
some more edits on Stephanie's revision. While I still do not agree
with everything it says, I know that the things I have problems with are
things others in the NCSG probably support and do not have an objection
to them, though in some cases I have tried to make it a bit more
diplomatic.
I hope my suggested edits are acceptable.
avri
On 23-Mar-17 19:09, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
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<pre wrap="">The statement is still a work in progress, and is not complete. I will
continue working on it tonight, and encourage others to share feedback
on how they believe it should be edited so they are comfortable
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Whether or not the PC endorses it is a discussion to be had tomorrow,
once it is in a more complete stage. Certainly I would hope an
endorsement was forthcoming, but if it isn't, I also understand that
is a possible outcome.
If people would like to have a substantive discussion on the comments,
it would actually make it a lot easier to write so please feel free to
do so... :-)
That said, if someone does not wish to endorse the comments, it would
be helpful to know specifically what within the text they do not
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Yes, these comments have been written quickly and there has not been
much time for discussion, but we do not have a documented process for
seeking the PC's endorsement and I have been on the PC for fewer than
3 months. Until such time as there is a process, all I can do is
propose text in the hopes that others will jump in and offer
constructive thoughts on a different direction to be taken, if
applicable.
Ayden
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Date: On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:27 pm
Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: [DRAFT] NCSG Statement on the ALAC Review
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Hi all
I am conscious of the impending deadline for these comments
(tomorrow). I recognize that Ayden has put time and thought into
proposing comments for NCSG's consideration. This said, we have had
no substantive discussion of these comments and their merit on the
list or in the PC, nor have we had, realistically, sufficient time to
do so. Because of this I do not feel that I, as a member of the PC,
can endorse these comments for NCSG.
The NCSG PC should have a better process in place for ensuring that
there is time to do so in the future and we will, hopefully, be
rectifying this promptly.
Matthew
On 23/03/2017 11:33, matthew shears wrote:
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Hello PC
Teeing this up as comments are due tomorrow. Please review these
suggested inputs carefully.
Related docs can be found here.
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Your thoughts/suggestions in the google doc (below) are appreciated
asap.
Thanks.
Matthew
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Subject: [DRAFT] NCSG Statement on the ALAC Review
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:52:33 -0400
From: Ayden Férdeline <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:icann@FERDELINE.COM"><icann@FERDELINE.COM></a>
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To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>
Greetings all,
I have drafted up on Google Docs
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<pre wrap="">some comments on behalf of the NCSG regarding the Review of the
At-Large community. This is a really rough draft, and I'd welcome
your feedback on what arguments should be refined, what I might have
missed, or what we might want to remain silent on. I'm not happy
with it at the moment, but I figured it would be better to get some
words down onto paper, and we can refine this together... so please
take a read of the proposed statement here
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<pre wrap="">with the understanding that it's definitely a work-in-progress. And
please share your thoughts, either in the document itself or on this
mailing list!
Comments are due in three days, so we don't have too long to get
this together unfortunately. You can read the draft report here
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<pre wrap="">link) if you haven't seen it already.
/A friendly note to those ALAC members who read the NCSG mailing
list: this statement is a work-in-progress, it has not been endorsed
yet by the NCSG Policy Committee, and it will likely change between
now and the time it is submitted (if it is submitted)./
Best wishes,
Ayden Férdeline
linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline"><http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline></a>
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