<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thanks Avri, Matt, Ed for comments and suggestions</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I guess we say:</div><div class="gmail_extra">- we cannot accept CSG proposal.</div><div class="gmail_extra">- However, we can start the nomination process, for NCSG and CSG in parallel starting next week Monday</div><div class="gmail_extra">- Our counter-proposal is:</div><div class="gmail_extra"><ul><li>NCA is not to removed from any part of the process</li><li>there must be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.</li><li>as many nominees as come forward in a week.</li><li>1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two</li><li>2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader against NOTA</li><li>3rd round if person does not get 8, leave the seat open until we get our act together. </li><li> then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until we get our act together.</li></ul></div><div class="gmail_extra">if we have a consensus by Sunday, we should share our response with CSG.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-02-24 9:29 GMT+09:00 avri doria <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avri@apc.org" target="_blank">avri@apc.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
I think we could respond that we do not accept their proposal<br>
<br>
- NCA is not to removed from any part of the process<br>
<br>
- we insist that there be a vote along the previous lines - 8 to succeed.<br>
<br>
- as many nominees as come forward in a week.<br>
<br>
- 1st round if one get 8 done, if not second round between top two<br>
<br>
- 2nd round if one get 8 done, if not do 3rd round of leader against NOTA<br>
<br>
- 3rd round if person does not get 8, leave seat open until we get our<br>
act together.<br>
<br>
- then CSG PC, NCSG PC, NCPH council members and NCA talk until we get<br>
our act together.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<span class="gmail-"><br>
On 23-Feb-17 05:49, matthew shears wrote:<br>
><br>
> Perhaps as a first step go back to CSG and say we are considering/or<br>
> not their doc and will be proposing something or an alternative<br>
> version - and put some deadline on it for us - maybe end of next week?<br>
><br>
> And, try to get agreement on a nomination period - say next week? or<br>
> two weeks from Monday? Probably would be useful to have the CSG and<br>
> NCSG nomination periods run in parallel. Agree with CSG whether<br>
> should be nomination and/or self nomination.<br>
><br>
> In the interim start work on the process?<br>
><br>
> Matthew<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 23/02/2017 08:07, Rafik Dammak wrote:<br>
>> Hi all,<br>
>><br>
>> we really need to develop our response or proposal to CSG quickly. at<br>
>> least covering the topic of nomination.<br>
>><br>
>> Best,<br>
>><br>
>> Rafik<br>
>><br>
>> 2017-02-22 11:27 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><br>
</span>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><wbr>>>:<br>
<span class="gmail-">>><br>
>> Hi Matt,<br>
>><br>
>> thanks for the response, looking for other comments on this topic.<br>
>> I think we can start with nomination whole we work on the process<br>
>> and adjust the whole timeline.<br>
>> how we shall proceed for nominations, we have 2 candidates for<br>
>> now. shall we initiate a process to find other candidates? we<br>
>> don't have so much time for a long nomination period.<br>
>><br>
>> I understand that we are having the deadline as a mean to press<br>
>> us but we should stand and be clear about the aspects which are<br>
>> non-negotiable with regard to the process.<br>
>><br>
>> Best,<br>
>><br>
>> Rafik<br>
>><br>
>> 2017-02-21 19:13 GMT+09:00 matthew shears <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a><br>
</span>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>>>:<br>
<div><div class="gmail-h5">>><br>
>> Thanks Rafik<br>
>><br>
>> Not sure much was agreed except that we need to deal with it<br>
>> and we are running out of time.<br>
>><br>
>> First we had the timeline from Greg before the meeting, which<br>
>> was not really discussed further. Then we had some general<br>
>> discussion about the need to do something on the Board<br>
>> selection process. People voiced their views on different<br>
>> aspects of the process and there was concern over the<br>
>> timeline, but we did not really decide anything (others<br>
>> please jump in as I may have missed some important<br>
>> aspects). Markus announced he wanted to continue in the<br>
>> role; I announced I was going to run. Then the CSG proposal<br>
>> for a process was circulated on Thurs AM. There seemed to be<br>
>> general agreement that the CSG proposal was not ideal.<br>
>><br>
>> I think the key immediate thing is us agreeing a process and<br>
>> timeline for nominations and getting that announced, so at<br>
>> least the initial stages of the process are underway.<br>
>><br>
>> Matthew<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 20/02/2017 10:56, Rafik Dammak wrote:<br>
>>> Hi everyone,<br>
>>><br>
>>> We got this note from Greg to resume the discussion on board<br>
>>> seat election.<br>
>>> First thing, is it possible to get a summary of what or not<br>
>>> agreed on iceland on that regard from those who attended<br>
>>> intersessional?<br>
>>><br>
>>> We also need to outline what are our non-negotiable points<br>
>>> such as having vote, NCA participation and so on.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I think tgat the CSG proposal from last week is far from our<br>
>>> expectations.<br>
>>> There is also proposal to have a call. We can have it by end<br>
>>> of this week but we do need to be ready.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Rafik<br>
>>><br>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>>> From: "Greg Shatan" <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>
</div></div><span class="gmail-">>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a>>><br>
>>> Date: Feb 20, 2017 2:13 PM<br>
>>> Subject: [Ncph-intersessional2017] Board Seat Selection Process<br>
>>> To: <<a href="mailto:ncph-intersessional2017@icann.org">ncph-intersessional2017@<wbr>icann.org</a><br>
</span><div><div class="gmail-h5">>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ncph-intersessional2017@icann.org">ncph-<wbr>intersessional2017@icann.org</a>>><br>
>>> Cc:<br>
>>><br>
>>> All,<br>
>>><br>
>>> We probably need a different mailing list to finish<br>
>>> working on the Board Seat selection process, and a small<br>
>>> group to do it, but I'll start here, since I think this<br>
>>> is the only active mailing list with both sides of the<br>
>>> NCPH on it.<br>
>>><br>
>>> We basically have no time to work this out, and we've<br>
>>> already started the process without knowing what it is<br>
>>> exactly, since we have now received nominations.<br>
>>><br>
>>> In addition to the adaptation of the CPH procedures<br>
>>> previously circulated, I'm also attaching the following<br>
>>> for consideration:<br>
>>><br>
>>> 1. Some bullet-points from an exchange between CSG and<br>
>>> NCSG representatives outlining a potential draft process.<br>
>>> 2. The latest version of the ICANN Staff Memo with a<br>
>>> revised draft timeline and some relevant excerpts from<br>
>>> Bylaws and GNSO Procedures.<br>
>>> 3. A further excerpt from the Bylaws, with Section<br>
>>> 11.3(f), which covers the selection process for Seats<br>
>>> 13-14 (to the extent that is covered in the Bylaws), and<br>
>>> Section 11.3(h), which is referred to in Section 11.3(f).<br>
>>><br>
>>> A few thoughts and comments:<br>
>>><br>
>>> A. We only have 10 1/2 weeks to both develop and go<br>
>>> through a process that is contemplated to take 21 weeks<br>
>>> (just to go through). Talk about building the airplane<br>
>>> in the air.<br>
>>><br>
>>> B. At the Intersessional, we discussed possible<br>
>>> adjustments to the timeline, but did not come to any<br>
>>> decisions. It's not clear to me whether Staff is<br>
>>> preparing a further revised draft. I'll ask.<br>
>>><br>
>>> C. If any of our groups have not already done so, we<br>
>>> should put out a call for any other nominations ASAP<br>
>>> (though it would be nice to know the end of the<br>
>>> nomination period).<br>
>>><br>
>>> D. Without making any judgments, the CPH process and<br>
>>> the NCPH bullet-points are significantly different when<br>
>>> it comes to voting.<br>
>>><br>
>>> E. We should figure out how to get this process agreed<br>
>>> as quickly as possible. Given the unusual<br>
>>> circumstances, we don't need to use this process as<br>
>>> precedent for any future process. We just need to get<br>
>>> through this selection. One approach is for NCSG to<br>
>>> respond to the draft sent at the end of the<br>
>>> Intersessional. However, given the gap between that and<br>
>>> the bullet-points, it might just be better to arrange a<br>
>>> call/Adobe Connect session ASAP to move the ball forward.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks for reading,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Greg<br>
>>><br>
>>> P.S. It's not all that important how we got here, but<br>
>>> nonetheless, it should be noted that the GNSO Procedures<br>
>>> were never updated from 2012, when the Bylaws deadline<br>
>>> for naming the Director was changed from one month to<br>
>>> two months (briefly) and then six months prior to being<br>
>>> seated. (The GNSO Procedures will need to be updated in<br>
>>> any event, since the Bylaws references are now<br>
>>> obsolete.)) The draft bullet-points repeated this error.<br>
>>><br>
>>> B. Since we are doing this with very little time<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
</div></div>>>> *Greg Shatan<br>
>>> *C: 917-816-6428<br>
>>> S: gsshatan<br>
>>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a>><br>
<span class="gmail-">>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>>> From: *Greg Shatan* <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a>>><br>
>>> Date: Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:28 AM<br>
>>> Subject: Discussion Draft of Interim Board Selection Process<br>
>>> To: <a href="mailto:ncph-intersessional2017@icann.org">ncph-intersessional2017@icann.<wbr>org</a><br>
</span><div><div class="gmail-h5">>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ncph-intersessional2017@icann.org">ncph-<wbr>intersessional2017@icann.org</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> NCSG/NCUC/NPOC Intersessional Participants,<br>
>>><br>
>>> The CSG prepared a "discussion draft" of a proposed<br>
>>> interim Board Selection Process based closely on the<br>
>>> Final Process adopted by the Contracted Parties House.<br>
>>> Clean and marked drafts are attached, showing changes<br>
>>> from the CPH document.<br>
>>><br>
>>> A Google Docs version can be found here, where any<br>
>>> suggested changes can be added in "suggest" mode (but<br>
>>> everyone has "edit"<br>
>>> rights): <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_<wbr>RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/<wbr>edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
>>> <<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/1lx8jCTEWGAuPyPpnL_<wbr>RaHGum4dQXf2a1MTyYXx8O9dc/<wbr>edit?usp=sharing</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>> We would hope to use this for the current 2017 Board<br>
>>> Seat process and then revisit afterward before making it<br>
>>> a permanent rather than "interim" process.<br>
>>><br>
>>> This has not been reviewed by the membership of the IPC,<br>
>>> BC and ISPCP, but we wanted to start the discussion on<br>
>>> this basis, given the short amount of time we have for<br>
>>> this year.<br>
>>><br>
>>> We look forward to your thoughts.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks!<br>
>>><br>
>>> Greg (on behalf of BC/IPC/ISPCP Intersessional Teams)<br>
>>><br>
</div></div>>>> *Greg Shatan<br>
>>> *C: 917-816-6428 <tel:%28917%29%20816-6428><br>
>>> S: gsshatan<br>
>>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428 <tel:%28646%29%20845-9428><br>
>>> <a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a>><br>
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>>><br>
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