<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">the data protection session is scheduled for Monday <a href="https://schedule.icann.org/event/9nnl/cross-community-discussion-with-data-protection-commissioners">https://schedule.icann.org/event/9nnl/cross-community-discussion-with-data-protection-commissioners</a></div><div class="gmail_extra">the commissioners have other sessions, one with GAC (<a href="https://schedule.icann.org/event/9np1/gac-meeting-council-of-europe-data-protection-commissioners">https://schedule.icann.org/event/9np1/gac-meeting-council-of-europe-data-protection-commissioners</a>) and I think some private meetings not listed in the schedule. <br>we had the suggestion to have meeting the commissioners in Tuesday during NCSG session for CD but I don't think we have any suggested time or heard from Peter about that. @Stephanie can you please confirm the availability with him? </div><div class="gmail_extra">we will also have to adjust our NCSG session agenda, @Tapani do you have a draft agenda for it yet? the session is here <a href="https://schedule.icann.org/event/9nqC/gnso-non-commercial-stakeholder-group-ncsg-meeting">https://schedule.icann.org/event/9nqC/gnso-non-commercial-stakeholder-group-ncsg-meeting</a></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-02-23 4:30 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">at this point I don't
really know Kathy, I think I need an update from Peter. Not
sure what he is working on at the moment....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">But I will share my
schedule once I get it all filled in, that could be useful to
those who want to follow privacy issues. Busy busy schedule
for Copenhagen...</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers STephanie</font></font><br>
</p>
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<div class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-02-22 13:55, Kathy Kleiman
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<p>Stephanie, what are the slots on Monday (and perhaps Tuesday)
that we should be attending to cheer loudly for the Data
Protection Commissioners, you and Peter Kimpian of the Council
of Europe? Can't wait to be at these events!<br>
</p>
<p>Best and tx, Kathy<br>
</p>
<div class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181moz-cite-prefix">On 2/22/2017 1:30 PM, Stephanie
Perrin wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I was just
contacted by the Data Protection Officer for Europol (who
happens to be an old colleague, I saw her in Brussels).
She is interested in attending the Copenhagen meeting, and
I took the liberty of inviting her to come and speak to
us....she gave me the manual for the data protection
officers in Europol, and it would be great to hear what
law enforcement is <i>supposed</i> to be doing to protect
data.....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I dont think I
have quite talked her into coming yet but there is
definitely interest...</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Steph</font></font><br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-02-18 01:07, Stephanie
Perrin wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">unfortunately,
commissioners are not going to stay till Wednesday, it
is all getting crammed into Monday. best we could do
would be something first thing Tuesday.....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I think Chuck
has got some time in there somehow.....can remember when
but will find it and send to the list</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">SP</font></font><br>
</p>
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<div class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-02-17 19:26, Ayden
Férdeline wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div>If I understand correctly, the Commissioners are
visiting us on the Wednesday? In that case, for maximum
attendance, it might be best if our session was from
1:45pm to 3:00pm. But I do not know what the rest of their
day looks like. Thanks again for organising this.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ayden <br>
</div>
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<div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Re: ICANN58 Data
Protection Session Planning<br>
</div>
<div>Local Time: 15 February 2017 9:38 PM<br>
</div>
<div>UTC Time: 15 February 2017 21:38<br>
</div>
<div>From: <a class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca</a><br>
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<div>To: <a class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a><br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<p><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:"lucida grande"">you
are right, it is on Saturday</span></span><br>
</p>
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</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-02-15 12:33, Ayden
Férdeline wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>Hi Stephanie,<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> I don't see an RDS meeting scheduled for the
Wednesday? Perhaps it is on the schedule under a
different name, or perhaps I have just missed it?
(Here is a link to the <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" title="http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-discuss/attachments/20170214/01a86592/attachment.pdf" href="http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-discuss/attachments/20170214/01a86592/attachment.pdf">tentative
schedule</a>.)<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> Best wishes,<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181protonmail_signature_block-user">
<div>Ayden <br>
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<div>-------- Original Message --------<br>
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<div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Re: ICANN58 Data
Protection Session Planning<br>
</div>
<div>Local Time: 15 February 2017 11:55 AM<br>
</div>
<div>UTC Time: 15 February 2017 11:55<br>
</div>
<div>From: <a rel="noreferrer
nofollow noopener" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca</a><br>
</div>
<div>To: Rafik Dammak <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"><rafik.dammak@gmail.com></a><br>
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<div>ncsg-pc <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is"><ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is></a><br>
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<p><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font">Ok so Maryam got back to me. THey
forgot it. (how Convenient). So do we have a
preferred timeslot? I will ask Peter....</span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font">Steph</span></span><br>
</p>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-02-15 00:28,
Rafik Dammak wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_extra">Hi Stephanie,<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">I think what Farzaneh
wanted to highlight is that NCSG made a meeting
request for NCSG-DPA session but you are saying
that DPA will go to RDS session instead?<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div>Rafik<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>2017-02-15 14:12 GMT+09:00 Stephanie
Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca</a>></span>:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<p><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font">Wednesday is still our
day alone to use as we see fit.
Chuck is trying to get Mr Cannatucci
to attend our RDS meeting on
Wednesday., I will forward that
thread to you as well. All the
other sessions are monday</span></span><br>
</p>
<div>
<div class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181h5">
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731moz-cite-prefix">On
2017-02-14 23:59, farzaneh badii
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hi
Stephanie,<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We
both asked Maryam to follow up
on NCSG session with the UN
special rapp. I think would be
helpful that Tapani also follows
up since it's an NCSG request
and we still don't see it on the
schedule. Did I interpret it
wrong that you said Chuck was
planning to turn that into a
GNSO meeting. Is the
wednesday session only NCSG
meeting wtih the UN rapp?<br>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Farzaneh</span><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at
11:23 PM, Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" rel="noreferrer nofollow
noopener">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoront<wbr>o.ca</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font">What
happened is this:</span></span><br>
</p>
<ul>
<li><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font">GAC
was asked to
sponsor, never got
it done</span></span><br>
</li>
<li><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font">GNSO
was asked to
sponsor, proposed
instead to replace a
lapsed HIT with this
panel</span></span><br>
</li>
<li><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font">Invitations
went out for the
opening day of the
conference (they had
to, these are busy
guys) </span></span><br>
</li>
<li><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font">IPC
weighed in demanding
balanced HIT style
panels (Victoria
sheckler their
person on this)</span></span><br>
</li>
<li><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font">Side
meetings have
apparently been
arranged</span></span><br>
</li>
<li><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font">only
guy available for
our meeting on
Wednesday is UN
Special Rapporteur
for privacy
(grateful for this,
this is a big deal
and I am trying to
get his latest book
read prior to the
event </span></span><br>
</li>
</ul>
<p><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font">Last
version I saw of the
schedule we did not
have a session. You
were checking on
that. Chuck Gomes was
asking for time for
the PDP on RDS but
Monday is only day, he
is trying for 8 am
breakfast meeting.</span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font">cheers
Steph</span></span><br>
</p>
<div>
<div class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731h5">
<p><br>
</p>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731m_-1196239896132014116moz-cite-prefix">On
2017-02-14 23:09,
farzaneh badii wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hi
Stephanie,<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Can
you clarify
something for
me? Is this the
Cross- Community Discussion wi<wbr>th
Data Protection Commissioners?<wbr> </span><br>
</div>
<div><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></span><br>
</div>
<div><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">If
so, didn't we
also submit a
session request
( NCSG request)?
Did that turn
into the above
session? Where
did this session
come from and
where is NCSG
session?</span><br>
</div>
<div><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></span><br>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
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<div dir="ltr">
<div><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Farzaneh</span><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Tue, Feb
14, 2017 at
10:43 PM,
Stephanie Perrin
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" rel="noreferrer
nofollow
noopener">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoront<wbr>o.ca</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
</div>
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</div>
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<p>I am biting
my tongue on
this. As some
of you heard,
I raised this
with Goran. I
am tempted to
just slide it
along to him.
With of course
a mention of
how the GAC
and ICANN
staff sat on
this from
Hyderabad
until mid
January.<br>
</p>
<p>Suggestions
welcome.
Pissed off, am
I. <br>
</p>
<p>Steph<br>
</p>
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<th align="RIGHT" nowrap valign="BASELINE">Subject:<br>
</th>
<td>Re:
ICANN58 Data
Protection
Session
Planning<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th align="RIGHT" nowrap valign="BASELINE">Date:<br>
</th>
<td>Tue, 14
Feb 2017
21:52:54 -0500<br>
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<tr>
<th align="RIGHT" nowrap valign="BASELINE">From:<br>
</th>
<td>Greg
Shatan <a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731m_-1196239896132014116m_-3173739836713035587moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><gregshatanipc@gmail.com></a><br>
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<th align="RIGHT" nowrap valign="BASELINE">To:<br>
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<td>KIMPIAN
Peter <a href="mailto:Peter.KIMPIAN@coe.int" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731m_-1196239896132014116m_-3173739836713035587moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><Peter.KIMPIAN@coe.int></a><br>
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<th align="RIGHT" nowrap valign="BASELINE">CC:<br>
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<td>Victoria
Sheckler <a href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731m_-1196239896132014116m_-3173739836713035587moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><vsheckler@riaa.com></a>, James
M. Bladel <a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731m_-1196239896132014116m_-3173739836713035587moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><jbladel@godaddy.com></a>, <a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731m_-1196239896132014116m_-3173739836713035587moz-txt-link-abbreviated" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a> <a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731m_-1196239896132014116m_-3173739836713035587moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><kathy@kathykleiman.com></a>, <a href="mailto:donna.austin@neustar.biz" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731m_-1196239896132014116m_-3173739836713035587moz-txt-link-abbreviated" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">donna.austin@neustar.biz</a> <a href="mailto:donna.austin@neustar.biz" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731m_-1196239896132014116m_-3173739836713035587moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><donna.austin@neustar.biz></a>,
<a href="mailto:heather.forrest@acu.edu.au" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731m_-1196239896132014116m_-3173739836713035587moz-txt-link-abbreviated" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">heather.forrest@acu.edu.au</a> <a href="mailto:heather.forrest@acu.edu.au" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731m_-1196239896132014116m_-3173739836713035587moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><heather.forrest@acu.edu.au></a>,
Stephanie
Perrin <a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731m_-1196239896132014116m_-3173739836713035587moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoront<wbr>o.ca></a>,
KWASNY Sophie
<a href="mailto:Sophie.KWASNY@coe.int" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731m_-1196239896132014116m_-3173739836713035587moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><Sophie.KWASNY@coe.int></a>,
Wilson,
Christopher <a href="mailto:cwilson@21cf.com" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731m_-1196239896132014116m_-3173739836713035587moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><cwilson@21cf.com></a>, Tony
Holmes <a href="mailto:tonyarholmes@btinternet.com" class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181m_-9038760910269525731m_-1196239896132014116m_-3173739836713035587moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><tonyarholmes@btinternet.com></a><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">All,<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><i>First,
apologies for
the length of
this message
and a tone
that is more
strident than
I intend it to
be. Another
pass through
this email
could smooth
the rough
edges, but it
is 2:45 am in
Reykjavik and
I have a 7:15
breakfast
meeting, so my
capacity is
exhausted (and
so am I).
Please read
this with a
friendly,
collegial tone
in mind and
indulge me
where I have
failed to have
the tone of
the text match
my desire to
be a good
working
partner (and
to "disagree
without being
disagreeable")
even where our
perspectives
may differ.
(As partial
explanation,
my sport of
choice in my
youth was
rugby ("a
ruffian's game
played by
gentlemen"),
while fencing
probably would
have been more
apropos....)</i></span><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I
am quite
concerned with
where we are
in this
discussion.
There are
either some
substantial
misunderstandings
about what
this session,
as a "High
Interest
Topic", is
supposed to be
-- or there is
an apparent
intent to
exclude
perspectives
that will keep
this from
being a
celebration of
data
protection
principles. I
hope it's the
former, but
even that is
unfortunate.</span><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Perhaps
the root of
the problem is
combining the
original idea
for a
CoE-organized
presentation
with the High
Interest Topic
(HIT) concept
-- or perhaps
that just
highlighted
the inherent
problem with
the session.
HIT doesn't
just refer to
a level of
interest --
it's supposed
to be a
community-generated
proposal that
is then
planned and
presented with
multistakeholder participation (and <u>not</u> merely by the proposing
organization). One of the problems we had with the last round of HITs
was a proposal
for a HIT
session to be
planned and
presented by a
single part of
the community,
largely
consisting of
a presentation
by one of its
members and
only minor
roles for any
sector not
sympathetic to
the views of
this member
and community
group. This
was
inconsistent
with the idea
that the
proposing
organization
does not
control the
content of a
HIT session.
Fortunately,
the original
planners
agreed to to
expand to a
more diverse
planning team,
with the
result being a
more diverse
panel and a
very lively
and
well-received
session. When
community
leaders got on
the phone to
consider this
round of HITs,
we wanted to
avoid a replay
of this
situation
(although it
ended well
enough).<br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">When
this data
protection
session was
brought to the
community
leaders group
as a late
suggestion for
one of the HIT
slots, I was
concerned we
might be
heading for a
replay, so the
IPC specified
that one of
our members
(Vicky) should
be added to
the planning
group (knowing
that at least
one other
constituency
shared very
similar
concerns).
Unlike the
last time,
where we were
able to get a
hand on the
tiller and
help turn the
ship, I've
found our
attempts to be
largely
rebuffed.
This has been
increasingly
frustrating.<br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'd
like to
respond to
some of the
specific
statements on
this thread
since I last
had an
opportunity to
respond:<br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">Vicky
wrote: <br>
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don’t see here
(but I am also
sleep
deprived)
which panelist
will represent
public safety
/ transparency
/ enforcement
concerns.</span></span></span><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">Peter
responded: <br>
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<div><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size" style="font-size:11pt">Uuhhh,
if you are in
US it is quite
early for
you…in my
sense usually
the
governments
are
responsible
and
accountable
for the issues
you mentioned,
therefore it
seemed to me
logical that
those issues
will be taken
care by a
representative
of the GAC.
Besides that,
the PSWG is a
sub-group of
the GAC which
is
deliberately
discussing
those issues
you mentioned…</span></span></span><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size" style="font-size:11pt"></span>Greg:
This misses
the point of
Vicky's
question and
perhaps misses
a fundamental
point about
ICANN -- that
it is a
multistakeholder
organization
and <i>not</i> a
multilateral
organization.
Governments
are not the
only ones
concerned with
investigation
and
enforcement --
there are also
significant
parts of the
private sector
deeply engaged
in
investigation
and
enforcement
(and not to
put too fine a
point on it,
but IPC (my
group and
Vicky's group)
represents one
of those parts
of the private
sector). As
such, at least
one voice from
these parts of
the private
sector should
be present on
the panel.
Even within
governments,
there are
parts that
deal with
public safety
and
enforcement.
The idea that
a
representative
of the GAC
will provide
this
perspective
seems
mistaken. As
fine a chair
as the GAC
chair is, I
don't believe
this is his
perspective,
and the
suggestion
this would be
within his
brief seemed
based more on
protocol than
practicality.
As revealed in
this thread,
Ms.
Bauer-Bulst is
the co-chair
of the PSWG,
so would be
more on point
for this
perspective
(though
apparently she
is not
sufficiently
august to
appear on the
panel, even if
she is a
Deputy Head of
Unit, and not
merely a Team
Leader as was
stated earlier
in this
exchange).<br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Peter
replied to
James Bladel
in red below:<br>
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Peter. Looks
like I did
miss this at
some point, so
please accept
my apologies
for the
confusion.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Generally,
I"m ok with
this, but a
few thoughts:<br>
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I'm not sure
what
"sponsored" by
the GNSO means
in this
context.
Maybe we could
say something
like
"convened" or
"supported"
jointly by the
GNSO &
GAC?<span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:red"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:wingdings">à</span>
this
expression was
used by ICANN
staff but I
can only agree
that those you
suggested are
much better.</span><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg:
From my point
of view, this
support is
predicated on
the panel
representing
multiple
perspectives.<br>
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I think we
need to keep
the number
panelists to
an absolute
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I agree. 3+3
should be the
maximum (!).</span>
If we strive
to represent
all seven GNSO
SG/Cs, plus
GAC, plus
COE/DPAs, then
this session
runs the risk
of becoming
"Death by
PowerPoint"
and dosn't
leave much
time for
Q&A. To
that end, I
will let
Graeme know
that we are
looking for a
RrSG panelist,
but would
encourage them
to reach out
to Jim Galvin
and see if he
is comfortable
representing
industry
generally. Or
if we need
another CPH
person that
can wear both
"hats."<span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span> <span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:red"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:wingdings">à</span>
not
necessarily as
Jim could
represent it
quite well, I
am sure.
(Being said
that we would
have preferred
more focus on
the industry
itself and to
the different
players as
they are the
first level
data
controllers.
All NCPH and
GAC related
groups are
secondary
only) But if
the internal
dynamic of
GNSO is as
such, be it,
but in this
case we
suggest Becky
Burr to be on
the panel (and
not being
moderator).</span><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg:
ICANN and the
GNSO are not
merely about
"the
industry." If
you wanted an
industry
facing program
or a dialogue
only with "the
industry", the
appropriate
place for that
would be the
GDD (Global
Domains
Division)
Summit. As
the President
of an "NCPH
related group"
I can assure
you that our
concerns about
data
protection and
privacy are
not
"secondary" --
at least not
to us and our
stakeholder
community.
This further
shows the
problem of
"perspectives"
as this panel
is being
planned.<br>
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Similarly, I
think the NCPH
should strive
for ~2
panelists.
Again, I
apologize if
the
discussions
were already
headed in this
direction, as
I have lost
track of the
names proposed
in this
thread.<span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:red"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:wingdings">à</span>
I really think
that if CPH
has one
panellist NCPH
should also
has to have 1
only because
of the
arguments
expressed
above.</span><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg:
Peter, you may
not know it
(or perhaps
you may) but
the NCPH is an
umbrella over
two parts of
the GNSO --
the Commercial
Stakeholder
Group and the
Non-Commercial
Stakeholder
Group. There
is no valid
way that a
single
panelist could
provide the
sharply
different
perspectives
of these two
stakeholder
groups. Even
having a
single
panelist
representative
the different
perspectives
of IP
stakeholders,
ISPs and
Connectivity
Providers, and
the business
user community
is a stretch
(which
hopefully
would be
mitigated by
Q&A). I
would say that
if only
panelist came
from the NCPH,
they should
come from the
CSG, as we
would offer a
more
distinguishable
perspective,
but frankly
that would be
unfair to the
Non-Commercial
side of the
house (which
itself
includes a
range of
viewpoints),
and I don't
want to be
unfair to the
NCSG and its
constituencies
either.<br>
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Therefore our
suggestion for
the panel:
Becky Burr,
Thomas
Schneider, Jim
Galvin</span><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg:
This neatly
includes the
contracted
parties
(Registries
and
Registrars)
and excluded
the commercial
private sector
represented in
the NCPH.
This is not
acceptable.
(Which is why
James, as
Chair of the
GNSO, wisely
suggested 2
panelists from
the NCPH.)<br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This
description
was provided
by Peter:<br>
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<p style="text-align:justify;text-indent:35.4pt" class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">A
community-wide
event will be
organised on
13 March 2017
under the form
of a High
Interest Topic
“sponsored” by
the Generic
Names
Supporting
Organization
(GNSO) Council
(and possibly
by the
Governmental
Advisory
Committee
(GAC) as well)
which will
enable the
participation
of interested
ICANN
communities.</span><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg:
We are an
interested
ICANN
community and
we have been
seeking to
participate
and/or to have
participation
from the
enforcement/cybercrime/infring<wbr>ement
side of the
roster. So
far with no
success.<br>
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<p style="text-align:justify;text-indent:35.4pt" class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">The
session could
be jointly
opened by the
CEO of ICANN
Board and the
Director of
Information
Society and
Action against
Crime of the
Council of
Europe. During
the session
the United
Nations’
Special
Rapporteur on
the right to
privacy, the
co-Chair of
the Article 29
Working Group
and the
European Data
Protection
Supervisor
together with
high level
representatives
of registries’
group, the
registrars’
group and the
GAC will
address in 10
minutes each
the above
mentioned
topics. During
the session
the
involvement of
the audience
will be
guaranteed by
an open mike
slot.</span><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size" style="font-size:11pt">I
think during
the last days,
weeks we have
reached an
agreement on
Ms Becky Burr
moderating the
panel and
having James
Galvin as
representative
for
registries’
group (both
seemed to
agree on
that). If we
follow this
logic we would
need one
representative
from the GAC
and one from
registrars’
group. (We
previously</span></span></span><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">P<br>
</div>
<div>suggested
that the chair
of these
communities
could be
invited to
speak under
these two
slots).<br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Greg: Not to sound like a broken record, but
this emphasis
on including
the contracted
parties to the
exclusion of
the
non-contracted
parties really
runs counter
to
multistakeholder
sensibilities.</span><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">If the emphasis is on "high level
representatives"
and "chairs" I
would be
willing to
join the panel
as the chair
of my
community,
though we may
have better
candidates on
substance
(including
Vicky, who is
our vice
chair).</span><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">In
response to my
email asking
what her goals
for the panel
were (and
which stated
much of what
I've restated
above),
Stephanie
Perrin wrote:
<span>Peter
and the COE
are organizing
this. I will
let them
explain the
goals. In my
personal
view....data
protection
commissioners
are not
present at
ICANN. The
dialogue has
been anything
but robust,
although they
have been
attempting to
engage for
many many
years.</span><br>
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is clear we
need
additional
perspectives
to make this a
robust panel.
I think james
is a good
addition and
we also need
someone with
Cathrin's
perspective,<br>
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We still need
that
perspective.<br>
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responded with
COE's goals:<br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size" style="font-size:16px">The
panellists
will be
invited to
exchange views
on the privacy
and data
protection
implications
of processing
of WHOIS data,
third party
access to
personal data
and the issue
of
accountability
for the
processing of
personal data.
The expected
outcome of the
event is a
better mutual
understanding
of the
underlying
questions
related to the
protection of
privacy and
personal data
and the
strengthening
of an open and
inclusive
dialogue on
these issues,
to be carried
on anytime
deemed
necessary.</span></span><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg:
We are among
those "third
parties" and
we are seeking
to be included
in an open and
inclusive
dialogue, and
to include the
perspective of
government as
among those
"third
parties" as
well. I'm not
sure why this
has become
quite so
difficult.<br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Prior
to that Peter
wrote: <br>
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really don’t
want to hurt
anybody
personally, I
find this
exchange of
mails rather
odd
[discussion of
the importance
of EDPS,
correction of
Ms.
Bauer-Bulst's
characterization of the EDPS as a "body that advises," and the relative
ranks of
various
potential
panelists
removed for
space]</span></span></span><br>
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of emails
"rather odd",
but perhaps it
traces back to
the mismatch
between a
community-planned
HIT and a
panel planned
by the CoE.
These emails
are our
attempts at
community
planning --
again an
essentially
multistakeholder
effort.</span></span><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">In
response to
Stephanie's
question to me
"Who would you
propose?"
(responding to
my view that
we needed a
panel that
represented
multiple
perspectives),
Peter wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">I
think we all
are on the
same
page...therefore
I suggest to
include Becky
Burr to this
panel. She was
recommended by
other
constituencies
as well so if
you agree we
can move
along.</span><br>
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I respect
Becky
immensely and
already said
she was a
great choice
on many
counts. Yet,
the response
above misses
my point --
that we need
perspectives
beyond data
protection
officials and
"the
industry."</span><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Any
more would be
piling on, but
I wanted to
note just a
couple more
things. One
was Peter's
suggestion
that <i style="text-align:justify;text-indent:35.4pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:black">The current state of preparation would imply the
following
meetings</span></i><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:black"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">-</span><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size" style="font-size:7pt"> </span></span></span><i style="text-align:justify;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:black">a session with the GAC plenary,</span></i><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:black"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">-</span><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size" style="font-size:7pt"> </span></span></span><i style="text-align:justify;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:black">a working lunch with the Board,</span></i><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:black"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">-</span><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size" style="font-size:7pt"> </span></span></span><i style="text-align:justify;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:black">community wide afternoon session possibly in the
format of an
“High Interest
Topic”.</span></i><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:black"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">-</span><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size" style="font-size:7pt"> </span></span></span><i style="text-align:justify;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:black">alternatively or subsequently a joint meeting with
GNSO Council
and ccNSO
Council </span></i><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:black"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">-</span><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size" style="font-size:7pt"> </span></span></span><i style="text-align:justify;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:black">bilateral meetings with NSCG, NCUC and ALAC</span></i><br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg:
I would
suggest that a
bilateral
meeting with
the CSG (and
not merely
with the more
<i>simpatico</i>
community
groups) should
be considered,
to say the
least. We
would be
honored to
have such a
meeting (and
we don't
bite).<br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Peter
wrote, in
response to
Vicky:<br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size" style="font-size:11pt">Separately,
please note I
anticipate
having some
additional
suggestions
for
consideration
for this panel
by the end of
next week. </span></span></span><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:red"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:wingdings"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size" style="font-size:11pt">à</span></span><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181size" style="font-size:11pt">Please
do so, but you
have to
understand
that it is
rather strange
that 1 month
away of the
event we don’t
know who the
speakers would
be. We have
also made
suggestions
which we
believe enjoy
the support of
many in GNSO
(and beyond)
fellows and
follows the
idea of
multi-stakeholderism
and cover the
main issues
Victoria
suggested us
to take into
account
including
third party
access to
data. I would
recommend to
consider those
and come back
to us as
quickly as you
can…</span></span></span><br>
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<div><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181colour" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Greg: Given that this session was only
suggested as a
High Interest
Topic on
January 23,
it's not so
strange that
we have not
finalized the
speakers
list. We
began
discussing the
other HIT
sessions quite
a bit
earlier. That
said, the
sooner we can
bring the
necessary
people with
the necessary
perspectives
and the
necessary
protocol-sensitive
rank
(apologies for
our
insensitivity
to protocol
concerns; I
guess
Americans
don't do well
with rank, and
one of the
refreshing
aspects of the
ICANN milieu
is that rank
is generally
absent from
our
considerations).</span></span><br>
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<div><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></span><br>
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<div><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I
will once
again
emphasize that
GNSO is itself
a
multistakeholder
organization
so having "the
support of
many in GNSO"
does not mean
that your
suggestions
have the
support of our
part of the
GNSO (hence,
our attempts
since late
last month).
Leaving out
the commercial
sector does
not quite
follow the
idea of
multistakeholderism....</span><br>
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<div><span class="gmail-m_-239702597823175181font" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I
would love
nothing more
for us to
resolve this
to our
collective and
individual
satisfaction
and move on.
I look forward
to doing so.</span><br>
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<div>Best
Regards,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Greg
Shatan<br>
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<div>President<br>
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<div>Intellectual
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