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<p>Perhaps as a first step go back to CSG and say we are
considering/or not their doc and will be proposing something or an
alternative version - and put some deadline on it for us - maybe
end of next week?<br>
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<p>And, try to get agreement on a nomination period - say next
week? or two weeks from Monday? Probably would be useful to
have the CSG and NCSG nomination periods run in parallel. Agree
with CSG whether should be nomination and/or self nomination.</p>
<p>In the interim start work on the process?</p>
<p>Matthew<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">we really need to develop our response
or proposal to CSG quickly. at least covering the topic of
nomination.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-02-22 11:27 GMT+09:00 Rafik
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<div class="gmail_extra">thanks for the response,
looking for other comments on this topic.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">I think we can start with
nomination whole we work on the process and adjust the
whole timeline.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">how we shall proceed for
nominations, we have 2 candidates for now. shall we
initiate a process to find other candidates? we don't
have so much time for a long nomination period.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I understand that we are having
the deadline as a mean to press us but we should stand
and be clear about the aspects which are
non-negotiable with regard to the process.<br>
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GMT+09:00 matthew shears <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<p>Thanks Rafik</p>
<p>Not sure much was agreed except that we
need to deal with it and we are running
out of time.</p>
<p>First we had the timeline from Greg
before the meeting, which was not really
discussed further. Then we had some
general discussion about the need to do
something on the Board selection process.
People voiced their views on different
aspects of the process and there was
concern over the timeline, but we did not
really decide anything (others please jump
in as I may have missed some important
aspects). Markus announced he wanted to
continue in the role; I announced I was
going to run. Then the CSG proposal for a
process was circulated on Thurs AM. There
seemed to be general agreement that the
CSG proposal was not ideal. <br>
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<p>I think the key immediate thing is us
agreeing a process and timeline for
nominations and getting that announced, so
at least the initial stages of the process
are underway.</p>
<p>Matthew<br>
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<div>Hi everyone,
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<div dir="auto">We got this note
from Greg to resume the
discussion on board seat
election. </div>
<div dir="auto">First thing, is it
possible to get a summary of
what or not agreed on iceland on
that regard from those who
attended intersessional?</div>
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<div dir="auto">We also need to
outline what are our
non-negotiable points such as
having vote, NCA participation
and so on. </div>
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<div dir="auto">I think tgat the
CSG proposal from last week is
far from our expectations.</div>
<div dir="auto">There is also
proposal to have a call. We can
have it by end of this week but
we do need to be ready.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Best,</div>
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Date: Feb 20, 2017 2:13 PM<br>
Subject:
[Ncph-intersessional2017] Board
Seat Selection Process<br>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We
probably need a different
mailing list to finish
working on the Board Seat
selection process, and a
small group to do it, but
I'll start here, since I
think this is the only
active mailing list with
both sides of the NCPH on
it.</div>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We
basically have no time to
work this out, and we've
already started the
process without knowing
what it is exactly, since
we have now received
nominations.</div>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">In
addition to the adaptation
of the CPH procedures
previously circulated, I'm
also attaching the
following for
consideration:</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">1.
Some bullet-points from an
exchange between CSG and
NCSG representatives
outlining a potential
draft process.</div>
<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">2.
The latest version of the
ICANN Staff Memo with a
revised draft timeline and
some relevant excerpts
from Bylaws and GNSO
Procedures.</div>
<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">3.
A further excerpt from the
Bylaws, with Section
11.3(f), which covers the
selection process for
Seats 13-14 (to the extent
that is covered in the
Bylaws), and Section
11.3(h), which is referred
to in Section 11.3(f).</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">A
few thoughts and comments:</div>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">A.
We only have 10 1/2 weeks
to both develop and go
through a process that is
contemplated to take 21
weeks (just to go
through). Talk about
building the airplane in
the air.</div>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">B.
At the Intersessional, we
discussed possible
adjustments to the
timeline, but did not come
to any decisions. It's
not clear to me whether
Staff is preparing a
further revised draft.
I'll ask.</div>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">C.
If any of our groups have
not already done so, we
should put out a call for
any other nominations ASAP
(though it would be nice
to know the end of the
nomination period).</div>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">D.
Without making any
judgments, the CPH process
and the NCPH bullet-points
are significantly
different when it comes to
voting.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">E.
We should figure out how
to get this process agreed
as quickly as possible.
Given the unusual
circumstances, we don't
need to use this process
as precedent for any
future process. We just
need to get through this
selection. One approach
is for NCSG to respond to
the draft sent at the end
of the Intersessional.
However, given the gap
between that and the
bullet-points, it might
just be better to arrange
a call/Adobe Connect
session ASAP to move the
ball forward.</div>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks
for reading,</div>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">P.S.
It's not all that
important how we got here,
but nonetheless, it should
be noted that the GNSO
Procedures were never
updated from 2012, when
the Bylaws deadline for
naming the Director was
changed from one month to
two months (briefly) and
then six months prior to
being seated. (The GNSO
Procedures will need to be
updated in any event,
since the Bylaws
references are now
obsolete.)) The draft
bullet-points repeated
this error.</div>
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<div
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Since we are doing this
with very little time</div>
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Subject: Discussion Draft
of Interim Board Selection
Process<br>
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Intersessional
Participants,</div>
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<div
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CSG prepared a
"discussion draft" of
a proposed interim
Board Selection
Process based closely
on the Final Process
adopted by the
Contracted Parties
House. Clean and
marked drafts are
attached, showing
changes from the CPH
document.</div>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">A
Google Docs version
can be found here,
where any suggested
changes can be added
in "suggest" mode (but
everyone has "edit"
rights): <a
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would hope to use this
for the current 2017
Board Seat process and
then revisit afterward
before making it a
permanent rather than
"interim" process.</div>
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has not been reviewed
by the membership of
the IPC, BC and ISPCP,
but we wanted to start
the discussion on this
basis, given the short
amount of time we have
for this year.</div>
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look forward to your
thoughts.</div>
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BC/IPC/ISPCP
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