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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">What happened is this:</font></font></p>
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      <li><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">GAC was asked to
            sponsor, never got it done</font></font></li>
      <li><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">GNSO was asked to
            sponsor, proposed instead to replace a lapsed HIT with this
            panel</font></font></li>
      <li><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Invitations went
            out for the opening day of the conference (they had to,
            these are busy guys) <br>
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      <li><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">IPC weighed in
            demanding balanced HIT style panels (Victoria sheckler their
            person on this)<br>
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      <li><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Side meetings have
            apparently been arranged</font></font></li>
      <li><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">only guy available
            for our meeting on Wednesday is UN Special Rapporteur for
            privacy (grateful for this, this is a big deal and I am
            trying to get his latest book read prior to the event </font></font></li>
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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Last version I saw of
          the schedule we did not have a session.  You were checking on
          that.  Chuck Gomes was asking for time for the PDP on RDS but
          Monday is only day, he is trying for 8 am breakfast meeting.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Steph<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-02-14 23:09, farzaneh badii
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            style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Can you clarify
            something for me? Is this the </span><font face="verdana,
            sans-serif">Cross- </font><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Community </font><span
            style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Discussion </span><span
            style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">with Data </span><span
            style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Protection </span><span
            style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Commissioners</span><span
            style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">? </span></div>
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            style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">If so, didn't we also
            submit a session request ( NCSG request)? Did that turn into
            the above session? Where did this session come from and
            where is NCSG session?</span></div>
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              <div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 10:43 PM,
          Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a
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              <p>I am biting my tongue on this.  As some of you heard, 
                I raised this with Goran.  I am tempted to just slide it
                along to him.  With of course a mention of how the GAC
                and ICANN staff sat on this from Hyderabad until mid
                January.</p>
              <p>Suggestions welcome.  Pissed off, am I. <br>
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              <p>Steph<br>
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                      <td>Re: ICANN58 Data Protection Session Planning</td>
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                      <td>Tue, 14 Feb 2017 21:52:54 -0500</td>
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                      <td>Greg Shatan <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      <td>KIMPIAN Peter <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      <td>Victoria Sheckler <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        James M. Bladel <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        Stephanie Perrin <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        KWASNY Sophie <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        face="verdana, sans-serif"><i>First, apologies
                          for the length of this message and a tone that
                          is more strident than I intend it to be. 
                          Another pass through this email could smooth
                          the rough edges, but it is 2:45 am in
                          Reykjavik and I have a 7:15 breakfast meeting,
                          so my capacity is exhausted (and so am I). 
                          Please read this with a friendly, collegial
                          tone in mind and indulge me  where I have
                          failed to have the tone of the text match my
                          desire to be a good working partner (and to
                          "disagree without being disagreeable") even
                          where our perspectives may differ.  (As
                          partial explanation, my sport of choice in my
                          youth was rugby ("a ruffian's game played by
                          gentlemen"), while fencing probably would have
                          been more apropos....)</i></font></div>
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                        style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I am
                        quite concerned with where we are in this
                        discussion.  There are either some substantial
                        misunderstandings about what this session, as a
                        "High Interest Topic", is supposed to be -- or
                        there is an apparent intent to exclude
                        perspectives that will keep this from being a
                        celebration of data protection principles.  I
                        hope it's the former, but even that is
                        unfortunate.</span><br>
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                    style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Perhaps the
                    root of the problem is combining the original idea
                    for a CoE-organized presentation with the High
                    Interest Topic (HIT) concept -- or perhaps that just
                    highlighted the inherent problem with the session. 
                    HIT doesn't just refer to a level of interest --
                    it's supposed to be a community-generated proposal
                    that is then planned and presented with
                    multistakeholder participation (and <u>not</u> merely
                    by the proposing organization).  One of the problems
                    we had with the last round of HITs was a proposal
                    for a HIT session to be planned and presented by a
                    single part of the community, largely consisting of
                    a presentation by one of its members and only minor
                    roles for any sector not sympathetic to the views of
                    this member and community group.  This was
                    inconsistent with the idea that the proposing
                    organization does not control the content of a HIT
                    session.  Fortunately, the original planners agreed
                    to to expand to a more diverse planning team, with
                    the result being a more diverse panel and a very
                    lively and well-received session.  When community
                    leaders got on the phone to consider this round of
                    HITs, we wanted to avoid a replay of this situation
                    (although it ended well enough).</div>
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                    style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">When this
                    data protection session was brought to the community
                    leaders group as a late suggestion for one of the
                    HIT slots, I was concerned we might be heading for a
                    replay, so the IPC specified that one of our members
                    (Vicky) should be added to the planning group
                    (knowing that at least one other constituency shared
                    very similar concerns). Unlike the last time, where
                    we were able to get a hand on the tiller and help
                    turn the ship, I've found our attempts to be largely
                    rebuffed.  This has been increasingly frustrating.</div>
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                    style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'd like to
                    respond to some of the specific statements on this
                    thread since I last had an opportunity to respond:</div>
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                        don’t see here (but I am also sleep deprived)
                        which panelist will represent public safety /
                        transparency / enforcement concerns.</span></div>
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                        style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">​Peter
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style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Uuhhh,
                        if you are in US it is quite early for you…in my
                        sense usually the governments are responsible
                        and accountable for the issues you mentioned,
                        therefore it seemed to me logical that those
                        issues will be taken care by a representative of
                        the GAC. Besides that, the PSWG is a sub-group
                        of the GAC which is deliberately discussing
                        those issues you mentioned…</span></div>
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                              style="font-size:11pt">​</span>Greg: This
                            misses the point of Vicky's question​ and
                            perhaps misses a fundamental point about
                            ICANN -- that it is a multistakeholder
                            organization and <i>not</i> a multilateral
                            organization.  Governments are not the only
                            ones concerned with investigation and
                            enforcement -- there are also significant
                            parts of the private sector deeply engaged
                            in investigation and enforcement (and not to
                            put too fine a point on it, but IPC (my
                            group and Vicky's group) represents one of
                            those parts of the private sector).  As
                            such, at least one voice from these parts of
                            the private sector should be present on the
                            panel.  Even within governments, there are
                            parts that deal with public safety and
                            enforcement.  The idea that a representative
                            of the GAC will provide this perspective
                            seems mistaken.  As fine a chair as the GAC
                            chair is, I don't believe this is his
                            perspective, and the suggestion this would
                            be within his brief seemed based more on
                            protocol than practicality.  As revealed in
                            this thread, Ms. Bauer-Bulst is the co-chair
                            of the PSWG, so would be more on point for
                            this perspective (though apparently she is
                            not sufficiently august to appear on the
                            panel, even if she is a Deputy Head of Unit,
                            and not merely a Team Leader as was stated
                            earlier in this exchange).</div>
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                          replied to James Bladel in red below:</div>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Peter. 
                                    Looks like I did miss this at some
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Generally, I"m ok
                                    with this, but a few thoughts:</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">* I'm not sure
                                    what "sponsored" by the GNSO means
                                    in this context.  Maybe we could say
                                    something like "convened" or
                                    "supported" jointly by the GNSO
                                    & GAC?<span
                                      style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span
style="font-family:wingdings;color:red">à</span><span style="color:red">
                                      this expression was used by ICANN
                                      staff but I can only agree that
                                      those you suggested are much
                                      better.<br>
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                        style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">​Greg:
                        From my point of view, this support is
                        predicated on the panel representing multiple
                        perspectives.​</div>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">* I think we
                                      need to keep the number panelists
                                      to an absolute minimum.<span
                                        style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span
style="font-family:wingdings;color:red">à</span><span style="color:red">
                                        I agree. 3+3 should be the
                                        maximum (!).</span>  If we
                                      strive to represent all seven GNSO
                                      SG/Cs, plus GAC, plus COE/DPAs,
                                      then this session runs the risk of
                                      becoming "Death by PowerPoint" and
                                      dosn't leave much time for
                                      Q&A.  To that end, I will let
                                      Graeme know that we are looking
                                      for a RrSG panelist, but would
                                      encourage them to reach out to Jim
                                      Galvin and see if he is
                                      comfortable representing industry
                                      generally. Or if we need another
                                      CPH person that can wear both
                                      "hats."<span
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                                      <span
                                        style="font-family:wingdings;color:red">à</span><span
                                        style="color:red"> not
                                        necessarily as Jim could
                                        represent it quite well, I am
                                        sure. (Being said that we would
                                        have preferred more focus on the
                                        industry itself and to the
                                        different players as they are
                                        the first level data
                                        controllers. All NCPH and GAC
                                        related groups are secondary
                                        only) But if the internal
                                        dynamic of GNSO is as such, be
                                        it, but in this case we suggest
                                        Becky Burr to be on the panel
                                        (and not being moderator).</span></p>
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                        style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg:
                        ​ICANN and the GNSO are not merely about "the
                        industry." If you wanted an industry facing
                        program or a dialogue only with "the industry",
                        the appropriate place for that would be the GDD
                        (Global Domains Division) Summit.​  As the
                        President of an "NCPH related group" I can
                        assure you that our concerns about data
                        protection and privacy are not "secondary" -- at
                        least not to us and our stakeholder community. 
                        This further shows the problem of "perspectives"
                        as this panel is being planned.</div>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">* Similarly, I
                                      think the NCPH should strive for
                                      ~2 panelists.  Again, I apologize
                                      if the discussions were already
                                      headed in this direction, as I
                                      have lost track of the names
                                      proposed in this thread.<span
                                        style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><span
style="font-family:wingdings;color:red">à</span><span style="color:red">
                                        I really think that if CPH has
                                        one panellist NCPH should also
                                        has to have 1 only because of
                                        the arguments expressed above.</span></p>
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                        style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">​Greg:
                        Peter, you may not know it (or perhaps you may)
                        but the NCPH is an umbrella over two parts of
                        the GNSO -- the Commercial Stakeholder Group and
                        the Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group.  There is
                        no valid way that a single panelist could
                        provide the sharply different perspectives of
                        these two stakeholder groups.  Even having a
                        single panelist representative the different
                        perspectives of IP stakeholders, ISPs and
                        Connectivity Providers, and ​the business user
                        community is a stretch (which hopefully would be
                        mitigated by Q&A).  I would say that if only
                        panelist came from the NCPH, they should come
                        from the CSG, as we would offer a more
                        distinguishable perspective, but frankly that
                        would be unfair to the Non-Commercial side of
                        the house (which itself includes a range of
                        viewpoints), and I don't want to be unfair to
                        the NCSG and its constituencies either.</div>
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                                        style="font-family:wingdings;color:red">à</span><span
                                        style="color:red"> Therefore our
                                        suggestion for the panel: Becky
                                        Burr, Thomas Schneider, Jim
                                        Galvin </span></p>
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                        style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg:
                        ​This neatly includes the contracted parties
                        (Registries and Registrars) and excluded the
                        commercial private sector represented in the
                        NCPH.  This is not acceptable.  (Which is why
                        James, as Chair of the GNSO, wisely suggested 2
                        panelists from the NCPH.)​</div>
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                        style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This
                        description was provided by Peter:</div>
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style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">A community-wide event will be
                                      organised on 13 March 2017 under
                                      the form of a High Interest Topic
                                      “sponsored” by the Generic Names
                                      Supporting Organization (GNSO)
                                      Council (and possibly by the
                                      Governmental Advisory Committee
                                      (GAC) as well) which will enable
                                      the participation of interested
                                      ICANN communities. </span></p>
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                        style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg: ​We
                        are an interested ICANN community and we have
                        been seeking to participate and/or to have
                        participation from the
                        enforcement/cybercrime/infring<wbr>ement side of
                        the roster.  So far with no success.</div>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">The session could be jointly opened
                                      by the CEO of ICANN Board and the
                                      Director of Information Society
                                      and Action against Crime of the
                                      Council of Europe. During the
                                      session the United Nations’
                                      Special Rapporteur on the right to
                                      privacy, the co-Chair of the
                                      Article 29 Working Group and the
                                      European Data Protection
                                      Supervisor together with high
                                      level representatives of
                                      registries’ group, the registrars’
                                      group and the GAC will address in
                                      10 minutes each the above
                                      mentioned topics. During the
                                      session the involvement of the
                                      audience will be guaranteed by an
                                      open mike slot.</span></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
                                      think during the last days, weeks
                                      we have reached an agreement on Ms
                                      Becky Burr moderating the panel
                                      and having James Galvin as
                                      representative for registries’
                                      group (both seemed to agree on
                                      that). If we follow this logic we
                                      would need one representative from
                                      the GAC and one from registrars’
                                      group. (We previously </span></p>
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                                    style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">​P​</div>
                                  suggested that the chair of these
                                  communities could be invited to speak
                                  under these two slots).</div>
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                        style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">​<font
                          color="#000000">Greg: Not to sound like a
                          broken record, but this emphasis on including
                          the contracted parties to the exclusion of the
                          non-contracted parties really runs counter to
                          multistakeholder sensibilities.</font></div>
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                      <div class="gmail_default"
                        style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font
                          color="#000000">If the emphasis is on "high
                          level representatives" and "chairs" I would be
                          willing to join the panel as the chair of my
                          community, though we may have better
                          candidates on substance (including Vicky, who
                          is our vice chair).​<br>
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                        style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">In
                        response to my email asking what her goals for
                        the panel were (and which stated much of what
                        I've restated above), ​Stephanie Perrin wrote: <span>Peter
                          and the COE are organizing this.  I will let
                          them explain the goals.  In my personal
                          view....data protection commissioners are not
                          present at ICANN.  The dialogue has been
                          anything but robust, although they have been
                          attempting to engage for many many years.</span></div>
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                      <div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial,
                          helvetica, sans-serif">Vicky responded:</font></div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">It is clear we need
                            additional perspectives to make this a
                            robust panel.  I think james is a good
                            addition and  we also need someone with
                            Cathrin's perspective,</p>
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                          </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Greg: We still need that
                            perspective.</p>
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                        <div class="gmail_default"
                          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">​Peter
                          responded with COE's goals:</div>
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                            style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;text-align:justify;text-indent:47.2px">The
                              panellists will be invited to exchange
                              views on the privacy and data protection
                              implications of processing of WHOIS data,
                              third party access to personal data and
                              the issue of accountability for the
                              processing of personal data. The expected
                              outcome of the event is a better mutual
                              understanding of the underlying questions
                              related to the protection of privacy and
                              personal data and the strengthening of an
                              open and inclusive dialogue on these
                              issues, to be carried on anytime deemed
                              necessary.</span>​</div>
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                          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg:
                          We are among those "third parties" and we are
                          seeking to be included in an open and
                          inclusive dialogue, and to include the
                          perspective of government as among those
                          "third parties" as well.  I'm not sure why
                          this has become quite so difficult.​</div>
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                        that Peter wrote: ​</div>
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                          really don’t want to hurt anybody personally,
                          I find this exchange of mails rather odd
                          [discussion of the importance of EDPS,
                          correction of Ms. Bauer-Bulst's
                          characterization of the EDPS as a "body that
                          advises,"  and the relative ranks of various
                          potential panelists removed for space]</span></div>
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                          sans-serif" color="#000000">Greg: I'm not sure
                          why you find this exchange of emails "rather
                          odd", but perhaps it traces back to the
                          mismatch between a community-planned HIT and a
                          panel planned by the CoE.  These emails are
                          our attempts at community planning -- again an
                          essentially multistakeholder effort.</font></div>
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                        style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">​In
                        response to Stephanie's question to me "Who
                        would you propose?" (responding to my view that
                        we n​eeded a panel that represented multiple
                        perspectives), Peter wrote:</div>
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                          style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">I think
                          we all are on the same page...therefore I
                          suggest to include Becky Burr to this panel.
                          She was recommended by other constituencies as
                          well so if you agree we can move along.</span></div>
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                          and already said she was a great choice on
                          many counts.  Yet, the response above misses
                          my point -- that we need perspectives beyond
                          data protection officials and "the industry."</font></div>
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                        style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">​Any more
                        would be piling on, but I wanted to note just a
                        couple more things.  One was Peter's suggestion
                        that <i
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                            style="color:black">The current state of
                            preparation would imply the following
                            meetings</span></i><span
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                            plenary,</span></i><span
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                            style="color:black">a working lunch with the
                            Board,</span></i><span
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style="text-align:justify;font-size:7pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black">      </span><i
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                            style="color:black">community wide afternoon
                            session possibly in the format of an “High
                            Interest Topic”.</span></i><span
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                            subsequently a joint meeting with GNSO
                            Council and ccNSO Council </span></i><span
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                            NSCG, NCUC and ALAC</span></i></div>
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                        style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">​Greg: I
                        would suggest that a bilateral meeting with the
                        CSG (and not merely with the more <i>simpatico</i>​
                        community groups) should be considered, to say
                        the least.  We would be honored to have such a
                        meeting (and we don't bite).</div>
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                        style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Peter
                        wrote, in response to Vicky:</div>
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                          lang="EN-US">Separately, please note I
                          anticipate having some additional suggestions
                          for consideration for this panel by the end of
                          next week.</span><span
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                          lang="EN-US">à</span><span
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                          lang="EN-US">Please do so, but you have to
                          understand that it is rather strange that 1
                          month away of the event we don’t know who the
                          speakers would be. We have also made
                          suggestions which we believe enjoy the support
                          of many in GNSO (and beyond) fellows and
                          follows the idea of multi-stakeholderism and
                          cover the main issues Victoria suggested us to
                          take into account including third party access
                          to data. I would recommend to consider those
                          and come back to us as quickly as you can…</span><br>
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                      <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana,
                          sans-serif" color="#000000">Greg: Given that
                          this session was only suggested as a High
                          Interest Topic on January 23, it's not so
                          strange that we have not finalized the
                          speakers list.  We began discussing the other
                          HIT sessions quite a bit earlier.  That said,
                          the sooner we can bring the necessary people
                          with the necessary perspectives and the
                          necessary protocol-sensitive rank (apologies
                          for our insensitivity to protocol concerns; I
                          guess Americans don't do well with rank, and
                          one of the refreshing aspects of the ICANN
                          milieu is that rank is generally absent from
                          our considerations).</font></div>
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                          sans-serif">I will once again emphasize that
                          GNSO is itself a multistakeholder organization
                          so having "the support of many in GNSO" does
                          not mean that your suggestions have the
                          support of our part of the GNSO (hence, our
                          attempts since late last month).  Leaving out
                          the commercial sector does not quite follow
                          the idea of multistakeholderism....</font></div>
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                      <div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana,
                          sans-serif">I would love nothing more for us
                          to resolve this to our collective and
                          individual satisfaction and move on.  I look
                          forward to doing so.</font></div>
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                      <div class="gmail_default">Best Regards,</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_default">Greg Shatan</div>
                      <div class="gmail_default">President</div>
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