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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Perhaps one way to
slice this pie would be to have each SG send one, and formally
have each of the constituencies have a rotating rep on the
cttee....that way CSG have a mini board of 3 reps, and they
fight it out amongst themselves as to which rep goes forward
for each selection. It aint perfect, but neither is our structure,
and I agree with Ed, we cannot have the CSG having 3 votes
when the Rrsg only has one....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-02-09 16:21, Edward Morris
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<div>Hi Rafik,</div>
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<div>Thanks for this. Two major issues:</div>
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<div>1. One is the usual Constituency versus Stakeholder Group
debate.</div>
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<div>Who should be on the Selection Committee? There was
consensus that the GNSO Council Chairs and Vice Chairs should
be on the Committee. Then we differed.</div>
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<div>One view, which was the majority, opined that each
Constituency should be represented. This view was supported by
Susan Kawaguchi of the BC and Heather Forrest of the IPC.
Under this system the CSG would have 3 reps, the NCSG 2, the
RySG and RrSG 1 each, along with the Council Chair and Vice
Chairs. The reps themselves would be appointed by the
Constituencies on the NCPH side. </div>
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<div>My view was we should honor the GNSO structure and have 1
rep from each of the Stakeholder Groups along with the
leadership team. Under this system the CSG, NCSG, RySG and
RrSg would each have 1 rep who would serve alongside the
leadership team.</div>
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<div>The full Council has been delegated to decide which option
to chose.</div>
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<div>The SSR was a learning experience for me. This was the most
difficult and time consuming activity I've done at ICANN. Not
to say I didn't value it - it probably fits my skill set
better than other things I've done here and I'm happy with the
outcome from a NCSG perspective - but I just don't see a large
group being very effective doing the initial vetting. Everyone
on the team needs to be committed to doing the substantial and
detailed work and I believe that's more likely to happen with
a smaller group.</div>
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<div>For reasons of equitable representation and the utility of
smaller groups I certainly would encourage support for the SG
option. In fact, I think it is absolutely essential from a
NCSG perspective. </div>
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<div>2. The initial proposal made by Susan and myself included a
rotation system for appointees. This consisted of two parts:</div>
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<div>1. For review teams, the top three endorsees should be from
three separate SG's (assuming a sufficient number of
applications), and</div>
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<div>2. For review teams, the SG that did not have candidate
endorsed in the top three (which are guaranteed appointments)
would, by right, have a candidate endorsed for the next DT in
one of the top three places.</div>
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<div>This was changed by staff into a general diversity
requirement and was approved by the Committee at a meeting
with 40 per cent attendance. There was conversation about
weakening the requirement somewhat in the previous meeting but
I did not expect anything like this.</div>
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<div>I believe this requirement to be fundamental and essential.
NCSG candidates often have skill sets a bit different than
others. In the SSR2 RT the GNSO endorsed James as a guaranteed
SSR2 member and Naveed as someone we would propose for further
consideration. If we strictly applied the skill set contained
in the Call for Application neither would have been selected.</div>
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<div>In fact, staff included neither of our candidates in their
top seven ranking. Both, IMHO, would be excellent SSR2 members
but James was perceived to lack specific desirable educational
attributes and Naveed, a man with impeccable academic
qualifications, had no direct experience in "corporate
security".</div>
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<div>We're the NCSG. Many of our members lack corporate
anything. If that, and other requirements favouring industry
professionals, are going to be a strict requirements for
other RT's and the SG rotation is eliminated our Members may
have some difficulty being selected. I believe a strong
rotation is in the interest of both the NCSG and the GNSO.</div>
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<div>I'll be very happy to talk about all of this on the call
tomorrow. I believe in an inclusive GNSO, one that recognises
the diversity of the SO and guarantees all a place at the
table for all SG's on these important RT's. </div>
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<div>Susan and I have agreed to meet in Reykjavik with the goal
of jointly drafting language that would reinstate in some form
the rotation concept, and posting it to the Council list prior
to the Council meeting on the 16th, so the matter may be
considered by the entire Council.</div>
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<div>Kind Regards,</div>
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<div>Ed Morris</div>
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<b>Sent</b>: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 11:54 AM<br>
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<b>Subject</b>: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Standing
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<div class="gmail_extra">Dear Ed,</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Thanks for sharing this and raising
your concerns. I think the selection process is definitely
a topic for discussion at the policy call.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">can you list quickly the concerns
you have prior to the call? I think some changes are
editorial but I saw that several paragraphs on page 6 and
7 were removed which are related to decision making.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2017-02-07 13:20 GMT+09:00 Edward
Morris <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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everybody,</span></div>
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<div><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">I
hope we can discuss this on our policy
committee call later this week and in other
meetings before our February 16th Council
call.</span></div>
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<div><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">The
Standing Selection Committee met tonight in
reduced fashion: due to technical problems and
conflicting commitments only two of the five
team members attended the entire call.
Changes, based upon staff recommendations,
have been made to the initial proposal and I
don't believe these changes are in the
interest of the NCSG. Hopefully we'll have
time to talk about things and come out with a
common position going forward. </span></div>
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<div><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Overall
I think this is a good proposal but we do have
work to do on the full Council. I look forward
to discussing things with everyone,
particularly my fellow Councillors, on Friday.</span></div>
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<div><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Best,</span></div>
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<div><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Ed
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please see the
attached draft charter for the proposed
Standing Selection Committee. This
committee would be composed of
councilors to select candidates for
review teams and other positions.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We will discuss next
week at the council meeting.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Susan</p>
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