[NCSG-PC] Fwd: Public Comments on NomCom Review closes on May 29
Judith Hellerstein
judith at jhellerstein.com
Thu Jun 1 06:21:15 EEST 2023
HI Stephanie/ Tomslin
Not sure if you saw my comment, so I am pasting it here.
There is a new rule that when the NomCom terms are changed to 2 years instead of
1, the delegate must wait 2 years to go back on NomCom. So it would only be 5
years (2 on nomcom and 3 on the standing committee) at the most. That is why I
said that the standing committee terms should not be consecutive. We need new
blood. I think that helps explain why I am fine with 3 years on the standing
committee and no consecutive terms
I think if someone has served 2 years waits 2 year and then serves another 2
years that is fine. Or in the case of the standing committee. Serves 3 years
and then waits 2 years again before serving again, that is also fine . It may
not happen since there is no funding for standing committee members, so they do
not travel.
I think this change is easier to make the changing the terms of the standing
committee
Otherwise I think it is good to go. Manju is happy already
Best,
Judith
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On 5/31/23 10:48 PM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> ++ Judith
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 00:02, Stephanie E Perrin
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
> Thanks for taking some of my suggestions Judith....I added a few more
> edits to tighten it; my only substantive query now is on three year terms
> for the standing committee. Seems too long, there are plenty of
> candidates for the standing committee, we dont need folks who have already
> served on NomCom for four years hanging around another 3? I think 2 is
> lots....
>
> cheers and many thanks for all this hard work!
>
> Stephanie Perrin
>
> On 2023-05-30 7:56 p.m., Judith Hellerstein wrote:
>>
>> HI Tomslin,
>>
>> I have resolved all the comments and also added in some phrasing to
>> answer the questions raised by the persons who commented on the document
>> and it is now ready to go. Let me know what else you want or need to do
>> before this gets ratified by the NCSG councillors
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Judith
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________________
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>>
>> On 5/29/23 12:24 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>> Hi and thanks again, Judith.
>>>
>>> The process is this: once the penholdet (you) has addressed all comments
>>> with the contributors, the PC normally takes a final look at it before
>>> the NCSG PC chair (me) submits the comment on behalf of NCSG.
>>>
>>> Seeing that we don't have time for another whole of PC review on this
>>> one, I will rely on the collaboration effort between yourself and the
>>> other NCSG members who are contributing to the comment (most of which
>>> are PC members) as endorsement.
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>> On Mon, 29 May 2023, 06:59 Judith Hellerstein, <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> HI Tomslin,
>>>
>>> I accepted some of the changes but could not accept Rafik's as he is
>>> not understanding how the NomCom Operates and what they are
>>> recommending. I have added in replies to his comments to explain
>>> them and hope this helps
>>>
>>> Here again is the link.
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Once Rafik has read this and accepted it, I can resolve all the
>>> comments and submit it. Do let me know what is the process. I
>>> believe we will have a one-day extension since tomorrow is a holiday
>>> in the US and ICANN usually does not have comments due on the
>>> holiday as US staff are off.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Judith
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein
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>>>
>>> On 5/28/23 9:29 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>>> Hi Judith,
>>>>
>>>> There are some comments on the document you shared. Can you please
>>>> reconcile them?
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 02:37, Judith Hellerstein
>>>> <judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> HI Juan,
>>>>
>>>> I would have loved to include something about it and in fact
>>>> wrote something up, but was told since this item was pulled
>>>> from the Public Comment we could not address it here. We have
>>>> to address this issue in both NPOC's and the NCSG's comments to
>>>> Sally directly
>>>>
>>>> That was why I pulled it from the draft statement. In a public
>>>> comment, we can only comment on what is written and not an item
>>>> that has been withdrawn. Please correct me if I was wrong
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Judith
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
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>>>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>>
>>>> On 5/24/23 11:24 AM, Juan Manuel Rojas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to add something on this review. I believe that
>>>>> in the same comment, we should also address the situation of
>>>>> NPOC, as this comment is regarding NomCom rebalance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
>>>>> Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
>>>>> NPOC Policy Chair - NCSG/GNSO
>>>>> Founding member - ISOC Colombia
>>>>> Master IT candidate, UNAD
>>>>> Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
>>>>>
>>>>> /Cel. +57 301 743 56 00
>>>>> Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> El martes, 23 de mayo de 2023, 03:47:22 p. m. GMT-5, Tomslin
>>>>> Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>>>> <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com> escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear PC,
>>>>>
>>>>> Below is a draft to the Public Comments on NomCom Review that
>>>>> closes on May 29 (Monday next week) drafted by Judith
>>>>> Hellerstein and Peter Akinremi. Please provide your urgent
>>>>> comments to the draft by midnight UTC on Thursday 25th May.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> From: *Judith Hellerstein* <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>>>> Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 at 00:08
>>>>> Subject: Re: Public Comments on NomCom Review closes on May 29
>>>>> To: Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Raoul Plommer
>>>>> <plommer at gmail.com>, Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>>>>> <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Akinremi Peter Taiwo
>>>>> <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Caleb,
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the draft comment that I propose to send out for to
>>>>> the various Policy teams within the NCSG for comment. I do
>>>>> not know who is on the PC FO to send it to so please can you
>>>>> send this to them for me. Also not sure of your particular
>>>>> style or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter and I have editing writes, but everyone has commenting
>>>>> rights. What we might want to do if we run out of time before
>>>>> the deadline is to post a draft first and then replace it with
>>>>> the approved and ratified one later
>>>>>
>>>>> I am interested in seeing your opinion on this
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Judith
>>>>>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>>>> E-mail:Judith at jhellerstein.com Website:www.jhellerstein.com <http://www.jhellerstein.com>
>>>>> Linked In:www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/>
>>>>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/22/23 9:25 PM, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Judith,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for coming up with this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since we have a short timeline, can we put the draft in a
>>>>>> google doc and ask that you share it with the PC FO input and
>>>>>> feedback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing we can request through the PC is ask them to write
>>>>>> ICANN for a little extension as it takes the entire PC a
>>>>>> while to provide feedback and ratify public comments that
>>>>>> represents the NCSG's views.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy to see @Akinremi Peter Taiwo
>>>>>> <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com> joining you to take a lead on
>>>>>> this.
>>>>>> I'm sure he can provide you with some NCSG perspective to
>>>>>> support the arguments that will be put forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Caleb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2023, 2:38 PM Judith Hellerstein
>>>>>> <judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HI All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good talk on today's NCSG Call. Caleb, thanks for
>>>>>> clarifying that Stephanie and you are only collaborating
>>>>>> on the NomCom Rebalancing letter that Interim CEO Sally
>>>>>> Costerton sent to all constituencies. I suggested that we
>>>>>> draft a statement in response to the public comment on
>>>>>> the NomCom Review, and will be happy to be the Pen
>>>>>> Holder. Basically, there are 4 questions they are asking
>>>>>> us to comment upon. Public Comments are due May 29,
>>>>>> 2023. I have also cc'd my fellow NomCom rep, Peter Taiwo
>>>>>> as he also suggested he was interested in helping draft.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Our Input on the Fundamental Bylaws amendment proposed
>>>>>> for Article 7 of the ICANN Bylaws and the related
>>>>>> proposed statement defining “Unaffiliated” Directors?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Our Input on the proposed Standard Bylaws amendments
>>>>>> proposed to Article 8 of the ICANN Bylaws as well as the
>>>>>> Transition Clause
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Change NomCom delegates’ terms to serve two-year
>>>>>> terms, instead of one year.
>>>>>> Transform all NomCom delegates into voting delegates
>>>>>> to be able to vote, except for leadership.
>>>>>> Create a NomCom Standing Committee to provide
>>>>>> continuity across annual NomCom cycles and to build the
>>>>>> institutional memory of the NomCom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) Our Input on the NomCom Standing Committee Charter?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) Our input on the required changes to their RSSAC
>>>>>> bylaws to allow them to accept a voting slot instead of
>>>>>> the current non-voting slot
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a PowerPoint slide describing these changes.
>>>>>> Only contentious issue is the definition of unaffiliated
>>>>>> Directors
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Judith Hellerstein
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>>>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>>>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>>>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>>>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>>>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>>>>> E-mail:Judith at jhellerstein.com Website:www.jhellerstein.com <http://www.jhellerstein.com>
>>>>>> Linked In:www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/>
>>>>>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/22/23 7:33 AM, Johan Helsingius wrote:
>>>>>>> I think the GNSO decision not to go there was longer
>>>>>>> than 6 months ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 21/05/2023 16:55, Judith Hellerstein wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Julf,
>>>>>>>> Apparently it is too late for this, which is really
>>>>>>>> sad. I was told the time to have done this negotiation
>>>>>>>> was several months ago before the GNSO rejected these
>>>>>>>> ideas. Sorry but I had not been focusing on these
>>>>>>>> issues 6 months ago. The suggestion that was in the
>>>>>>>> original public comment was what the review committee
>>>>>>>> had suggested so that the GNSO could decide for itself
>>>>>>>> but apparently according to CLO, groups within the GNSO
>>>>>>>> heavily resisted this change and that was why the
>>>>>>>> board/ review committee took back part of the review. .
>>>>>>>> ALAC was for it and wanted to see this rebalancing but
>>>>>>>> the review committee and Board got too much flack from
>>>>>>>> people within the GNSO so they had to pull even this
>>>>>>>> simple adjustment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our best shot is the letter to sally however, even with
>>>>>>>> the letter it is unlikely to happen again until 5
>>>>>>>> years. Maybe the NCSG can take back the slot from the
>>>>>>>> NCUC as the only reason it was not given to the NCSG
>>>>>>>> was because NPOC and the NCSG had not existed when
>>>>>>>> these slots were first created.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have not heard from Stephanie about the comments on
>>>>>>>> the NomCom Review. Has one been created. If not, I
>>>>>>>> can pass you forward the one myself and Yrjo are
>>>>>>>> writing for ALAC. The only contested issue not decided
>>>>>>>> is the definition of unaffiliated and what that means
>>>>>>>> and entail. Otherwise, What I have written have been
>>>>>>>> accepted by the ALAC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> Judith
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>> judith at jhellerstein.com
>>>>>>>> Skype ID:JudithHellerstein
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- *Caleb Ogundele*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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