[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF Meeting 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC

Johan Helsingius julf at Julf.com
Sat Apr 8 09:26:02 EEST 2023


The SOI task force is pretty much done, so seems there is no need to
replace him.

	Julf


On 08/04/2023 03:52, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Hi Julf,
> 
> First of all, my apologies for delayed responses. I am still on the road.
> 
> Regarding David, he hasn't been responsive for a while now. I think we 
> might need to at least look for a temporary replacement.
> 
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> 
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2023, 16:49 Johan Helsingius, <julf at julf.com 
> <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Tomslin,
> 
>     David never responded to my email (and the deadline is tomorrow). Maybe
>     you should try to contact David and see if he is still able to continue
>     as our representative?
> 
>              Julf
> 
> 
>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF
>     Meeting 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC
>     Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:16:19 +0200
>     From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>
>     To: David Cake <dave at davecake.net <mailto:dave at davecake.net>>
>     CC: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> 
>     David,
> 
>     Will you be able to circulate a draft statement (that needs to also
>     specifically address the comment from BC)?
> 
>              Julf
> 
>     On 31/03/2023 04:45, 陳曼茹 Manju Chen wrote:
>      > Hi all,
>      >
>      > We've discussed extensively the topic of SOI in Cancun.
>      > Please find below the request from staff for each SG to submit their
>      > statements on this topic by *_Friday 7 April ._*
>      > You can also find BC's statement below. NCSG could consider
>     whether to
>      > respond since they made an effort mentioning us in their statement.
>      >
>      > As I mentioned before, I'm NOT the NCSG representative but the
>     Council
>      > liaison to the task force. I'd urge our representative on the
>     task force
>      > to draft a statement and circulate it on the list before
>     submitting it
>      > to the task force. I recommend using the statement NCSG has
>     presented
>      > during the Council Town Hall session in Cancun.
>      >
>      > Best,
>      > Manju
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>      > From: *Marika Konings* <marika.konings at icann.org
>     <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>
>      > <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>>
>      > Date: Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 10:27 PM
>      > Subject: Re: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF Meeting
>     01 March
>      > 2023 at 14:00 UTC
>      > To: Imran Hossen <imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>
>     <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>>>, Julie
>      > Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>
>     <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>>,
>      > gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>
>     <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>
>      > <gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>
>     <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>>
>      >
>      >
>      > Thanks, Imran. Can you confirm that this is the statement that
>     the BC
>      > would like to include in the report on this topic? ____
>      >
>      > __ __
>      >
>      > All, we have a call scheduled for next week, but we are going to
>     give
>      > everyone a bit more time to consult and prepare statements on the
>      > exemption language for inclusion in the report. In the meantime,
>     we will
>      > also consult with Manju as the CCOICI liaison to this effort to
>     see if
>      > there are further efforts we can undertake to bring the group closer
>      > together on this issue, or whether it is time to escalate it to the
>      > CCOICI for resolution. Of course, if there are any new proposals or
>      > changes in views on this topic, feel free to share these with the
>     list. ____
>      >
>      > __ __
>      >
>      > The meeting will be moved to Wednesday 12 April so please submit
>     your
>      > group’s statements *_by Friday 7 April at the latest_*. ____
>      >
>      > __ __
>      >
>      > Best regards,____
>      >
>      > __ __
>      >
>      > Julie & Marika____
>      >
>      > __ __
>      >
>      > *From: *GNSO-SOI-TF <gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org
>     <mailto:gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org>
>      > <mailto:gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org
>     <mailto:gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org>>> on behalf of Imran Hossen
>      > <imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>
>     <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>>>
>      > *Date: *Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 14:29
>      > *To: *Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org
>     <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>
>      > <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org
>     <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>>, "gnso-soi-tf at icann.org
>     <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>
>      > <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>"
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>      > <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>>
>      > *Subject: *Re: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF Meeting 01
>      > March 2023 at 14:00 UTC____
>      >
>      > __ __
>      >
>      > Hi,____
>      >
>      > In terms of my representation of the BC’s position, I consulted
>     with the
>      > BC Chair and I believe we’re in agreement that the BC is strongly
>      > opposed to this proposal.  Reasoning:____
>      >
>      > ____
>      >
>      >   * Contracted parties and their allies are positioning this as a
>      >     transparency issue.  That calls for some skepticism.____
>      >   * The BC is not in favor of eliminating a swath of ICANN
>     participants
>      >     simply because they are ethically bound to not disclose their
>     client
>      >     relationships.  There are myriad reasons – not the least of which
>      >     would be the fact that disclosure of those being represented
>     could
>      >     invite even more gaming into the ICANN system.  For example, an
>      >     attorney representing a new gTLD applicant could be compelled to
>      >     disclose his/her relationship with that applicant, inviting a
>      >     competing application.  That’s just one example.____
>      >   * Proponents of the rule change have suggested as a compromise
>     that,
>      >     should a participant be in this position, he/she could just
>     disclose
>      >     the identity of the client relationship to ICANN Org or the
>     working
>      >     group chair.  That, frankly, is preposterous – ICANN is a
>     sieve of
>      >     information leakage in the first place, and – further – such
>      >     disclosure puts one or two individuals into a decision-making
>      >     position on that person’s participation.  ICANN is not in the
>      >     business of appointing people who can arbitrate others’
>      >     participation.____
>      >   * Interesting that the NCSG – which is a vociferous proponent of
>      >     privacy – is beating the drum for revealing representation. They
>      >     can’t have it both ways – protect identities when they want and
>      >     don’t when they find it convenient.____
>      >
>      > ____
>      >
>      > __ __
>      >
>      > On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 8:47 PM Julie Hedlund
>     <julie.hedlund at icann.org <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>
>      > <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org
>     <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>> wrote:____
>      >
>      >     Dear All,____
>      >
>      >     ____
>      >
>      >     Please see below the action items and brief notes from
>     today’s SOI
>      >     Task Force meeting on Wednesday, 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC. 
>     These
>      >     also are posted to the wiki at:
>     https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg
>     <https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg>
>      >     <https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg
>     <https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg>>.____
>      >
>      >     ____
>      >
>      >     Kind regards,____
>      >
>      >     Marika and Julie____
>      >
>      >     ____
>      >
>      >     *GNSO SOI TF Meeting on Wednesday 01 March at 14:00 UTC*____
>      >
>      >     **____
>      >
>      >     *ACTION ITEMS: *____
>      >
>      >      1. *SOI TF members to provide their position statements on the
>      >         exemption language by 24 March that can be included in the
>      >         report to the CCOICI. Staff to specifically request feedback
>      >         from IPSPC and BC as we have yet to hear from those
>     groups.*____
>      >      2. *GNSO Secretariat staff to 1) circulate a Doodle poll to
>      >         schedule an informal meeting for Wednesday or Thursday at
>      >         ICANN76; 2) schedule a SOI TF meeting for Wednesday, 29
>     March at
>      >         1400 UTC.*____
>      >      3. *SOI TF members to suggest possible questions for ICANN
>     Legal.*____
>      >
>      >     **____
>      >
>      >     *Notes: *____
>      >
>      >     ____
>      >
>      >     1. Welcome____
>      >
>      >     ____
>      >
>      >     2. Consider possible modification of exemption language whereby
>      >     represented individual or entity information is shared only
>     with WG
>      >     leadership if exemption is invoked.  See:
>      >
>     https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aFuwubJUiIbXjui9mT6M9n1iSd-N_puL/edit <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aFuwubJUiIbXjui9mT6M9n1iSd-N_puL/edit> [docs.google.com <http://docs.google.com>] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1aFuwubJUiIbXjui9mT6M9n1iSd-N_puL/edit__;!!PtGJab4!6DbG5NBCJY713AFh2289AXAqDrObS3KKfp1qtaYPoJRRvwFpeG9o-t4FgQK9SAnMgW9Fx2DTCZ1XBwFDZ4kheRqu3A$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1aFuwubJUiIbXjui9mT6M9n1iSd-N_puL/edit__;!!PtGJab4!6DbG5NBCJY713AFh2289AXAqDrObS3KKfp1qtaYPoJRRvwFpeG9o-t4FgQK9SAnMgW9Fx2DTCZ1XBwFDZ4kheRqu3A$>> ____
>      >
>      >     ____
>      >
>      >     If no support for 2: ____
>      >
>      >     ____
>      >
>      >     3. Positions on exemption language (awaiting input from ISPCP and
>      >     BC)____
>      >
>      >     ____
>      >
>      >       * RySG will have feedback soon – it is an interesting
>     compromise.
>      >         Also awaiting feedback from the registrars.____
>      >       * RrSG: A lot of questions of where these recommendations
>     go from
>      >         here.  Still could be several concerns.____
>      >       * If this TF can’t come to consensus on language, it will
>     go back
>      >         to the CCOICI and then to the Council.  The Council would
>     vote
>      >         on changes to the Operating Procedures as a simply majority
>      >         vote.  Also is sent to the Board.____
>      >       * IPC: Appreciate the attempt at a compromise, but if you can’t
>      >         disclose then you can’t disclose to the leadership. ____
>      >       * If additional time is needed to consider, we should take it.
>      >         Can also discuss at the ICANN76 Council meeting.  It would be
>      >         helpful for each group to state their views for the CCOICI to
>      >         consider.  Seems that this is the only point of
>     disagreement in
>      >         the revisions to the SOI.____
>      >       * NCSG: Strong opposition to the existing text.____
>      >       * RySG: We will still develop some examples to be posted
>     with the
>      >         SOI.____
>      >
>      >     ____
>      >
>      >     4. Possible SOI Pilot____
>      >
>      >     ____
>      >
>      >       * Not clear that this will be worth the effort and time if
>     groups
>      >         won’t change their views.____
>      >
>      >     ____
>      >
>      >     5. Possible question to ICANN legal____
>      >
>      >     ____
>      >
>      >       * Important to frame the question and get agreement that this
>      >         would be helpful.____
>      >
>      >     ____
>      >
>      >     6. Confirm next steps____
>      >
>      >     ____
>      >
>      >       * Helpful to get statements of positions from TF member
>     groups to
>      >         be included in the report to the CCOICI to consider.____
>      >       * Deadline by 24 March to submit their statements on the
>     exemption
>      >         language.____
>      >       * Reconvene on 29 March at 1400 UTC to review the final
>     report. ____
>      >       * No further public comment period is planned unless the CCOICI
>      >         makes changes.  Not sure what it would achieve at this
>     point as
>      >         this already an issue that was called out in public
>     comment.____
>      >       * RrSG: Consider putting this out for public comment again
>     before
>      >         going to Council as people were not paying attention.____
>      >       * Staff: If we do a focused public comment we need to agree on
>      >         specific question(s) that would yield responses that
>     could move
>      >         this forward.  Also there is the opportunity to socialize
>     among
>      >         your groups at ICANN76 – could set up an informal SOI TF
>     meeting
>      >         in a sign-up room if available (no remote access).  Is there
>      >         interest in this?  Possibly but it would need to be later
>     in the
>      >         week.  Secretariat to do a Doodle poll.____
>      >
>      >     ____
>      >
>      >     *ACTION ITEMS: *____
>      >
>      >      1. *SOI TF members to provide their position statements on the
>      >         exemption language by 24 March that can be included in the
>      >         report to the CCOICI. Staff to specifically request feedback
>      >         from IPSPC and BC as we have yet to hear from those
>     groups.*____
>      >      2. *GNSO Secretariat staff to 1) circulate a Doodle poll to
>      >         schedule an informal meeting for Wednesday or Thursday at
>      >         ICANN76; 2) schedule a SOI TF meeting for Wednesday, 29
>     March at
>      >         1400 UTC.*____
>      >      3. *SOI TF members to suggest possible questions for ICANN
>     Legal.*____
>      >
>      >     **____
>      >
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