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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">If I may, and agreeing that this is outside the mandate of the FC, I would like to comment on the intersessionals. Meetings are what you make of them, and some, particularly those between groups who are not natural
allies, require a lot of preparation to be successful. I see one primary purpose of the intercessionals as being to foster a greater understanding of common interests among those other constituencies which whom we are yoked in the NCPH. Particularly in the
light of the focus on the GDPR and all things whois that has </font></font>taken place over<font size="+1"> the past few years, I see a need to work harder on that relationship, given the accumulation of friction points in all this work. This is important,
given that we will be experiencing another GNSO review in the near future, and current NCSG members may be blissfully unaware of the 100 years war that has gone on over our representation on Council. When that review comes around, most of our seasoned members
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<p><font size="+1">Just my two cents. I see very little support for the Intersessional, but I suspect that this may be partly due to the fact that it will be held in Los Angeles, not some more attractive destination like Marrakech or Paris.</font></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-07-20 13:09, Sam Lanfranco wrote:<br>
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<p>In my personal capacity as one who has participated in a couple of Intersessionals (one as a last minute substitute and at my own expense) I would like to share a personal reflection on my sense of a couple of the shortcomings of the manner in which they
occurred, as seen through my eyes. This area is, of course, outside the remit of NCSG-FC so bear with my minor rant here.
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<p>As I understood the mandate of the intersessional, it was to allow constituencies to work on areas of difference to expand the areas for consensus and compromise in the rest of our ICANN engagement. Some of that did, of course, take place but my sense (again
a personal view) is that too much time was devoted to: (a) constituencies basically restating their positions from their engagement in the PDP's, and from the larger ICANN meetings, and (b) constituencies meeting on their own to deal with/conduct internal
constituency business. <br>
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<p>It is my view that (b) conducting internal constituency business at ICANN meetings is also a bad use of time and resources, dealing with internal matters (e.g. Charter review) that should be handled between face-to-face meetings. Again, this is out of our
FC mandate, others may disagree with me, and I will not belabor this any further.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/20/2019 12:46 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br>
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<div>I agree that we need Internal Operating Procedures to guide us on our activities; where we differ in opinion is on what those procedures should be.<br>
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<div>It is not just the Finance Committee that needs procedures either; that's just our remit. Personally I'd like to see the NCSG Executive Committee adopting a procedure on the organization of the Intersessional, so there is no confusion as to when members
should be consulted and how this important resource is utilized. But that's a topic for another forum.<br>
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<div>We can discuss further what our role could be, on Tuesday.<br>
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<div>Best wishes,<br>
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<div>On Saturday, 20 July 2019 10:42, Thato Mfikwe <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thatomfikwe@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">
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<div>I will push to attend the upcoming Tuesday FC meeting. Anyway, the FC should provide financial advice/recommendations and report to the community and the EC on NCSG spending, financial plans and budgets, furthermore, the EC makes the final decision.<br>
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<div>The FC should not impose itself but offer advice and report financial activities and monitor spending in a collaborative and transparent fashion with its stakeholders (PC, EC, C's and community) according to my understanding, this is one of the reasons
why an FC Operational Procedure doc is important to clearly articulate this responsibilities in the most clinical/actionable way while respecting stipulations of the charter to avoid further confusion, reinventing the process will only frustrate and delay
activities of the FC as mentioned.<br>
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<div>The FC cannot effectively contribute or move forward if it has no Operating Procedures that articulates its responsibilities, not just community engagement processes and codes of conducts, this will make it simple for the FC to execute its fiduciary duties
as listed in the Charter.<br>
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<div>Thato Mfikwe.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 6:25 AM Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Thanks Sam,<br>
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<div>The situation is quite a bit more nuanced than Farzaneh’s email below suggests. <br>
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<div>We can discuss further on our call on Tuesday. I believe there is an important role for the Finance Committee to play in ensuring that stakeholder group resources are being appropriately utilised. <br>
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<div>I have heard a disturbing allegation that I am in the process of verifying. If true, I believe it would be appropriate for the Finance Committee to act. Until I can confirm it’s veracity, which I am doing as we speak, I will say no more. <br>
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<div>Best wishes,<br>
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<div>On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 01:14, Sam Lanfranco <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net" moz-do-not-send="true">sam@lanfranco.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p>Farzaneh, Ayden, et. al.,<br>
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<p>It may seem minor but there is an ocean of difference between a Finance Committee "telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money". which it cannot and should not due, and the Finance Committee looking at how money is spent and offering commentary,
through the channels by which it reports, to assist NCSG to "ensure that the funding is being put to good use". "Good" here is defined within the context of (a) most efficient ways (e.g. email not fax
<span><span>:-)</span></span> ), (b) the Charter of NCSG, and (c) the terms of reference and conditions set down by ICANN. Rest assured, this in no way suggests that the Finance Committee is about to go setting priorities for expenditures.<br>
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<div>On 7/19/2019 7:38 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear Farzaneh,<br>
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<div>As you have not been on any of the Finance Committee’s calls, at least since March when I became Chair, you may not be aware of our current activities. We have been taking great care to stay within the parameters of our Charter and have been developing
Internal Operating Procedures and a Code of Ethical Conduct to guide our behaviour. <br>
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<div>I would like to give you the opportunity to learn more about what the Finance Committee has prioritised and what we are working on this month. While you are not a Member or Observer of this committee, as defined within the Charter you reference below,
we do value the input of all those who take an interest in our work. <br>
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<div>Please advise if you are available for a call on Monday at 1500 UTC so we can discuss this issue further. I will ask the Ombudsman to join us. <br>
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<div>Kind regards,<br>
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<div>On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 19:22, farzaneh badii <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Please remember your mandate as defined by the charter. You are not in charge of telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money or "ensure that the funding is being put to good use" otherwise, you will
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Ayden really cares about the intersessional so he wants to do whatever in his power to shape it the way he wants it to be held. On its own, this doesn't really matter. He can provide his feedback. But bringing it
to a committee that we have said over and over is not in charge of telling the stakeholder how to spend the money is not the way to go. <br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">A very humble observer on this mailing list. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:50 PM Ayden Férdeline <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>I would like to encourage the Finance Committee to initiate a taskforce to monitor Intersessional preparations to ensure that the funding we have graciously received to host this event is being put to good use. We can discuss further on our next call.
Thanks.<br>
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<div>Kind regards,<br>
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<div>Ayden Férdeline<br>
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