<div>Hi Thato,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I agree that we need Internal Operating Procedures to guide us on our activities; where we differ in opinion is on what those procedures should be.<br></div><div><br></div><div>It is not just the Finance Committee that needs procedures either; that's just our remit. Personally I'd like to see the NCSG Executive Committee adopting a procedure on the organization of the Intersessional, so there is no confusion as to when members should be consulted and how this important resource is utilized. But that's a topic for another forum.<br></div><div><br></div><div>We can discuss further what our role could be, on Tuesday.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,<br></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Ayden <br></div></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div> On Saturday, 20 July 2019 10:42, Thato Mfikwe <thatomfikwe@gmail.com> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Ayden and FC members,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I will push to attend the upcoming Tuesday FC meeting. Anyway, the FC should provide financial advice/recommendations and report to the community and the EC on NCSG spending, financial plans and budgets, furthermore, the EC makes the final decision.<br></div><div>The FC should not impose itself but offer advice and report financial activities and monitor spending in a collaborative and transparent fashion with its stakeholders (PC, EC, C's and community) according to my understanding, this is one of the reasons why an FC Operational Procedure doc is important to clearly articulate this responsibilities in the most clinical/actionable way while respecting stipulations of the charter to avoid further confusion, reinventing the process will only frustrate and delay activities of the FC as mentioned.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The FC cannot effectively contribute or move forward if it has no Operating Procedures that articulates its responsibilities, not just community engagement processes and codes of conducts, this will make it simple for the FC to execute its fiduciary duties as listed in the Charter.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thato Mfikwe.<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 6:25 AM Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>Thanks Sam,<br></div><div><br></div><div>The situation is quite a bit more nuanced than Farzaneh’s email below suggests. <br></div><div><br></div><div>We can discuss further on our call on Tuesday. I believe there is an important role for the Finance Committee to play in ensuring that stakeholder group resources are being appropriately utilised. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I have heard a disturbing allegation that I am in the process of verifying. If true, I believe it would be appropriate for the Finance Committee to act. Until I can confirm it’s veracity, which I am doing as we speak, I will say no more. <u></u><u></u><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden <br></div><div id="gmail-m_-3145414032140086828protonmail_mobile_signature_block"><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 01:14, Sam Lanfranco <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net">sam@lanfranco.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail-m_-3145414032140086828protonmail_quote"><p>Farzaneh, Ayden, et. al.,<br></p><p>It may seem minor but there is an ocean of difference between a
Finance Committee "telling the stakeholder group how it should
spend the money". which it cannot and should not due, and the
Finance Committee looking at how money is spent and offering
commentary, through the channels by which it reports, to assist
NCSG to "ensure that the funding is being put to good use". "Good"
here is defined within the context of (a) most efficient ways
(e.g. email not fax <span><span>:-)</span></span> ), (b) the Charter of NCSG, and (c) the terms of reference and
conditions set down by ICANN. Rest assured, this in no way
suggests that the Finance Committee is about to go setting
priorities for expenditures.<br></p><p>Sam Lanfranco, NPOC<br></p><div>On 7/19/2019 7:38 PM, Ayden Férdeline
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Dear Farzaneh,<br></div><div><br></div><div>As you have not been on any of the Finance Committee’s calls,
at least since March when I became Chair, you may not be aware
of our current activities. We have been taking great care to
stay within the parameters of our Charter and have been
developing Internal Operating Procedures and a Code of Ethical
Conduct to guide our behaviour. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I would like to give you the opportunity to learn more about
what the Finance Committee has prioritised and what we are
working on this month. While you are not a Member or Observer of
this committee, as defined within the Charter you reference
below, we do value the input of all those who take an interest
in our work. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Please advise if you are available for a call on Monday at
1500 UTC so we can discuss this issue further. I will ask the
Ombudsman to join us. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div id="gmail-m_-3145414032140086828protonmail_mobile_signature_block"><div>Ayden Férdeline <br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 19:22, farzaneh badii <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail-m_-3145414032140086828protonmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Dear Finance
Committee,<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Please remember your
mandate as defined by the charter. You are not in charge of
telling the stakeholder group how it should spend the money
or "ensure that the funding is being put to good use"
otherwise, you will be violating the charter. <br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Ayden really cares
about the intersessional so he wants to do whatever in his
power to shape it the way he wants it to be held. On its
own, this doesn't really matter. He can provide his
feedback. But bringing it to a committee that we have said
over and over is not in charge of telling the stakeholder
how to spend the money is not the way to go. <br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">A very humble
observer on this mailing list. <br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh</span><br></div></div></div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:50
PM Ayden Férdeline <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>Dear all,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I would like to encourage the Finance Committee to
initiate a taskforce to monitor Intersessional
preparations to ensure that the funding we have graciously
received to host this event is being put to good use. We
can discuss further on our next call. Thanks.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden Férdeline<br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div> NCSG-FC mailing list<br></div><div> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:NCSG-FC@lists.ncsg.is">NCSG-FC@lists.ncsg.is</a><br></div><div> <a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc</a><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><pre>_______________________________________________
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