<div>Thanks Sam,<br></div><div><br></div><div>That is perfect feedback to be channeled through the constituency/stakeholder group chairs as they begin the preparations for our next Intersessional.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The role I saw for the Finance Committee was contained less to the substance of the Intersessional, and more to documenting the preparatory process and resulting outputs so that we have records - and results - to be able to include in our future Additional Budget Request(s) that we may/may not submit for a future Intersessional.<br></div><div><br></div><div>This is a very important resource for the NCSG. And it's cost to ICANN is considerable. I personally consider it a high priority that we're harnessing it as best we can. We can debate what the role here may be of the Finance Committee, but what I will not relent on is NCSG members having some oversight and insights into how its preparations are going.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden Férdeline <br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div> On Saturday, 20 July 2019 18:09, Sam Lanfranco <sam@lanfranco.net> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><p>In my personal capacity as one who has participated in a couple
of Intersessionals (one as a last minute substitute and at my own
expense) I would like to share a personal reflection on my sense
of a couple of the shortcomings of the manner in which they
occurred, as seen through my eyes. This area is, of course,
outside the remit of NCSG-FC so bear with my minor rant here. <br></p><p>As I understood the mandate of the intersessional, it was to
allow constituencies to work on areas of difference to expand the
areas for consensus and compromise in the rest of our ICANN
engagement. Some of that did, of course, take place but my sense
(again a personal view) is that too much time was devoted to: (a)
constituencies basically restating their positions from their
engagement in the PDP's, and from the larger ICANN meetings, and
(b) constituencies meeting on their own to deal with/conduct
internal constituency business. <br></p><p>It is my view that (b) conducting internal constituency business
at ICANN meetings is also a bad use of time and resources, dealing
with internal matters (e.g. Charter review) that should be handled
between face-to-face meetings. Again, this is out of our FC
mandate, others may disagree with me, and I will not belabor this
any further. <br></p><p>Sam L.<br></p><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/20/2019 12:46 PM, Ayden Férdeline
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi Thato,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I agree that we need Internal Operating Procedures to guide
us on our activities; where we differ in opinion is on what
those procedures should be.<br></div><div><br></div><div>It is not just the Finance Committee that needs procedures
either; that's just our remit. Personally I'd like to see the
NCSG Executive Committee adopting a procedure on the
organization of the Intersessional, so there is no confusion as
to when members should be consulted and how this important
resource is utilized. But that's a topic for another forum.<br></div><div><br></div><div>We can discuss further what our role could be, on Tuesday.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,<br></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Ayden <br></div></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton
protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div>On Saturday, 20 July 2019 10:42, Thato Mfikwe <a href="mailto:thatomfikwe@gmail.com"><thatomfikwe@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Ayden and FC members,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I will push to attend the upcoming Tuesday FC meeting.
Anyway, the FC should provide financial
advice/recommendations and report to the community and the
EC on NCSG spending, financial plans and budgets,
furthermore, the EC makes the final decision.<br></div><div>The FC should not impose itself but offer advice and
report financial activities and monitor spending in a
collaborative and transparent fashion with its stakeholders
(PC, EC, C's and community) according to my understanding,
this is one of the reasons why an FC Operational Procedure
doc is important to clearly articulate this responsibilities
in the most clinical/actionable way while respecting
stipulations of the charter to avoid further confusion,
reinventing the process will only frustrate and delay
activities of the FC as mentioned.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The FC cannot effectively contribute or move forward if
it has no Operating Procedures that articulates its
responsibilities, not just community engagement processes
and codes of conducts, this will make it simple for the FC
to execute its fiduciary duties as listed in the Charter.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thato Mfikwe.<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 6:25 AM Ayden Férdeline
<<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Thanks Sam,<br></div><div><br></div><div>The situation is quite a bit more nuanced than
Farzaneh’s email below suggests. <br></div><div><br></div><div>We can discuss further on our call on Tuesday. I
believe there is an important role for the Finance
Committee to play in ensuring that stakeholder group
resources are being appropriately utilised. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I have heard a disturbing allegation that I am in the
process of verifying. If true, I believe it would be
appropriate for the Finance Committee to act. Until I can
confirm it’s veracity, which I am doing as we speak, I
will say no more. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden <br></div><div id="gmail-m_-3145414032140086828protonmail_mobile_signature_block"><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 01:14, Sam Lanfranco <<a href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net" target="_blank">sam@lanfranco.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail-m_-3145414032140086828protonmail_quote" type="cite"><p>Farzaneh, Ayden, et. al.,<br></p><p>It may seem minor but there is an ocean of difference
between a Finance Committee "telling the stakeholder
group how it should spend the money". which it cannot
and should not due, and the Finance Committee looking at
how money is spent and offering commentary, through the
channels by which it reports, to assist NCSG to "ensure
that the funding is being put to good use". "Good" here
is defined within the context of (a) most efficient ways
(e.g. email not fax <span><span>:-)</span></span> ),
(b) the Charter of NCSG, and (c) the terms of reference
and conditions set down by ICANN. Rest assured, this in
no way suggests that the Finance Committee is about to
go setting priorities for expenditures.<br></p><p>Sam Lanfranco, NPOC<br></p><div>On 7/19/2019 7:38 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Dear Farzaneh,<br></div><div><br></div><div>As you have not been on any of the Finance
Committee’s calls, at least since March when I became
Chair, you may not be aware of our current activities.
We have been taking great care to stay within the
parameters of our Charter and have been developing
Internal Operating Procedures and a Code of Ethical
Conduct to guide our behaviour. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I would like to give you the opportunity to learn
more about what the Finance Committee has prioritised
and what we are working on this month. While you are
not a Member or Observer of this committee, as defined
within the Charter you reference below, we do value
the input of all those who take an interest in our
work. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Please advise if you are available for a call on
Monday at 1500 UTC so we can discuss this issue
further. I will ask the Ombudsman to join us. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div id="gmail-m_-3145414032140086828protonmail_mobile_signature_block"><div>Ayden Férdeline <br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 19:22, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>
wrote: <br></div><blockquote class="gmail-m_-3145414032140086828protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Dear
Finance Committee,<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Please
remember your mandate as defined by the charter.
You are not in charge of telling the stakeholder
group how it should spend the money or "ensure
that the funding is being put to good use"
otherwise, you will be violating the charter. <br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Ayden
really cares about the intersessional so he wants
to do whatever in his power to shape it the way he
wants it to be held. On its own, this doesn't
really matter. He can provide his feedback. But
bringing it to a committee that we have said over
and over is not in charge of telling the
stakeholder how to spend the money is not the way
to go. <br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">A very
humble observer on this mailing list. <br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh</span><br></div></div></div></div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:50 PM Ayden
Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Dear all,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I would like to encourage the Finance
Committee to initiate a taskforce to monitor
Intersessional preparations to ensure that the
funding we have graciously received to host this
event is being put to good use. We can discuss
further on our next call. Thanks.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden Férdeline<br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>NCSG-FC mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:NCSG-FC@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank">NCSG-FC@lists.ncsg.is</a><br></div><div><a href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc</a><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><pre>_______________________________________________
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