<div dir="ltr"><div>Does ICANN finance also have nothing to do with the other 3 reasons as listed? If so, what other role do you think ICANN finance can play to support communities besides ABRs and budgets?</div><div><br></div><div>Thato Mfikwe.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 12:46 AM Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>I am not expecting ICANN to manage our bank account but provide advice on how this can be best managed and remmber that the FC activities must adhere to ICANN bylaws, so if there are deviations, we need to be made aware of such or ensure adherence.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>sorry that is not ICANN Finance team role or remit. ICANN Bylaws says nothing about SG/C finance or expectations.</div><div><br></div><div>I think my point is clear, ICANN org and Finance team in particular has nothing to do with how NCSG manages its finance. Accountability is ensured by NCSG membership first.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 5:10 AM Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi.</div><div><br></div><div>ICANN Finance doesn't get involved on SG/C finance and refuse to manage bank accounts (in particular for those collecting membership fees) on their behalf for liability reasons.</div><div><br></div><div>when ICANN give any in-kind or financial support, it already control the whole process i.e. procurement, hiring external resources, travel arrangement etc. In other cases like for membership system, it ask SG/C to pay first then it reimburse. As organization, it mitigates risks and doesn't let community to be involved on the process other making request through ABRs etc. it is the same for PDP WGs ( I am aware of as I am involved for EPDP)</div><div><br></div><div>ICANN Finance team looks usually to discuss about ICANN budget and operating plan not about internal finance of SG/C.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le ven. 22 févr. 2019 à 10:34, Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com" target="_blank">remmyn@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Sorry Stephanie to come in here.<div dir="auto">Others may choose to ignore it but I think there is a role based on our NCSG charter guidelines especially on report back on how money or funds given to stakeholders group or received from all sources are expended.</div><div dir="auto">In financial management it's usually a precondition for another round of support which I think ICANN.org is not strict about otherwise they should be making the demands.</div><div dir="auto">May be because there are individual reports very often and I know Maryam team emphasis on this too as precondition.</div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">Remmy</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 1:01 a.m. Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I would suspect none. It is not their place.</font></font></p>
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<div>It should have been very helpful If I was to be there to assist in some physically.</div>
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<div>There is need also to have an ICANN staff preferably from Finance speak to some of the issues, especially in responsibility and expectations from an FC.</div>
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<div>Equally a few minutes remarks by NCSG chair will not be out of place as well as Cs chair. May be NCSG 3minutes, C chairs 2minutes each. They will still speak to issues as intervention arises.</div>
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<div>a. Introduction and background on the Finance Committee (5 min)<br>
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<div>b. Overview of the NCSG Charter and the Draft FC OP (10 min)<br>
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<div>g. Open floor (15 min)<br>
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<div>h.Fundraising and levelraging on ICANN finances - initiating a fundraising plan (5 min)<br>
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<div>Justification: Exploring different avenue for fundraising for NCSG<br>
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<div>i. Open floor and Q & A (10 min)<br>
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<div><b>3. Please also make input in terms of resource people who will be needed to ease proceedings of this meeting and can also provide answers. I still maintain that we need ICANN finance, so that we are able to discuss ways on how the FC can leverage on
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