<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Dear FC<div dir="auto">Sure the week has been busy.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have noticed in the NCUC call for FC representative that there is a discrepancy of NCUC charter and that of NCSG on FC on modalities of getting new members</div><div dir="auto">For the NCSG the chair of constituencies are the observers which is not the case with NCUC quoted charter thereof.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Like I have maintained, it's better we resolve this discrepancy among others in charter as they come before further engagement so as to avoid engagement that will leave people on the street instead of the house and going round the house.</div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">Remmy</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, 10:26 p.m. Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I think you must have meant this for Bruna, Thato. I am not the head of the NCUC, nor of NPOC. the heads of those constituencies are in charge of managing the selection of their members of the Finance Cttee, not
me. ccing Bruna so she can respond. Other responses in line.<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande"></font></font>Stephanie<br>
</p>
<div class="m_-3174996371606097871moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-02-20 15:53, thatomfikwe wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Hi,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>When things are happening in parallel, with announcements for FC members replacement, makes the entire planning process for the Kobe meeting a mission.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It would have been better if such announcements were made after ICANN64, they put the FC in a difficult position and the Kobe meeting is planned to revive the FC not create uncertainty and uncomfortable situations with members who will be leading deliberations.
Not sure if such actions were well thought of or well planned.</div>
</blockquote>
see Bruna and Joan<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am not exactly sure how we are going to proceed despite serveral attempts to hold a meeting with members before Kobe in order to discuss the planned agenda in detail and emerging issues.</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Do you have any idea how busy council is, and the epdp, and the WHOIS review cttee, and the comments process in general? We are running ragged. WE need more members to staff the working groups.</p>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>ICANN staff is just an email away, the Charter requires the FC to work with ICANN finance so if the committee is to be effective then it needs to establish or revive critical connections that will ensure that NCSG and its constituencies are fairly supported.</div>
</blockquote>
First we determine our own policy positions. Do we want paid memberships? Do we want to establish an entity, if so what? These are not issues to discuss with staff, they would not be authorized to express an opinion, nor should they.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regarding the strong position of the community, what issues are they arguing? Do you think they are valid and what were the reposnes of members during that time?</div>
</blockquote>
not sure what this question is addressing<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you carefully review comments, they.were centered around </div>
<div>- the bank account and incorporation of NCSG. This is currently being dealt with and in progress, to also be further discussed and decided upon</div>
<div>- the role of the FC, many disagree with a lot of what is stipulated on the Charter, whereas the Charter uses simple language</div>
</blockquote>
Indeed, I cannot figure out for the life of me what the drafters of the Charter had in mind. Establishing an entity has serious financial repercussions. I have no idea where the money for that would come from. Fund raising is difficult at the best of times,
to support us at ICANN....likely to be quite a chore.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>When we review we need to be objective, even though it might seem like the vocal in the mailing list are the majority. If the FC is designed to have no autonomy then its efforts to correct mistakes of the past will always go unnoticed and unrecognised.</div>
</blockquote>
<p>what specific mistakes are you talking about?</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thato Mfikwe.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div id="m_-3174996371606097871composer_signature">
<div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.</div>
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div>
<div>From: Stephanie Perrin <a class="m_-3174996371606097871moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
<stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a> </div>
<div>Date: 20/02/2019 21:59 (GMT+02:00) </div>
<div>To: Thato Mfikwe <a class="m_-3174996371606097871moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thatomfikwe@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
<thatomfikwe@gmail.com></a> </div>
<div>Cc: Maryam Bakoshi <a class="m_-3174996371606097871moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
<maryam.bakoshi@icann.org></a> </div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Ext] ICANN64 FC meeting preparations </div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">The event where the FC Chair, without informing his colleagues on Council or the PC, invited senior ICANN staff to one of the first FC meetings. Nobody was prepared. Most of us were unable to attend the last minute
meeting. Surprises are rarely appreciated, and noone knew the conditions under which staff had been invited. If you check back in the email archives you will be able to see the grumbling that ensued after that meeting. Senior people are exceptionally busy
at ICANN meetings....we don't invite them unless we have consensus that we are ready to meet them.<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">We are by nature a consultative group. The FC should always be consulted, so there is an open record for members to consult. Many members have strongly held views on the FC and its mandate, and check the email
archives. If there is nothing there, it is insufficiently transparent, at least in my view. I believe that is a commonly held view.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class="m_-3174996371606097871moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-02-20 13:51, Thato Mfikwe wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Hi Sephanie,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What was an embarrasment?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thato Mfikwe.<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:40 PM Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Personally, I do not think we are ready to meet with ICANN Finance staff. However, it appears the request has gone. We have already gone through this when Ed was chairing the Finance Committee, and it was an embarrassment
in my opinion.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande"><br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Cheers Stephanie</font></font><br>
</p>
<div class="m_-3174996371606097871gmail-m_-5425083856951057798moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-02-20 03:27, Maryam Bakoshi wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi Thato,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Good morning I hope this email meets you well. I have forwarded this request to Mary Wong, ICANN Staff. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am also cc’ing Stephanie, so she is in the loop. <br>
<br>
<div id="m_-3174996371606097871gmail-m_-5425083856951057798AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">
<div>—</div>
<div>Many thanks,</div>
<div><b><br>
</b></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><b><br>
</b></span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><b>Maryam Bakoshi</b> | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator </span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><b>ICANN</b> | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers </span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><b>S</b>: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | <b>T</b>: +44 7846 471777</span></div>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
On 20 Feb 2019, at 00:25, Thato Mfikwe <<a href="mailto:thatomfikwe@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">thatomfikwe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Hi Maryam,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is it possible that we request the presence of one of ICANN Finance staff and ICANN legal in the FC meeting in Kobe which will be taking place on Wednesday, 15h15 - 16h45.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Main support needed from ICANN staff:</div>
<div>- Elaboration on legal implications on incorporation of NCSG and what it will mean for ICANN.</div>
<div>- Advice on alternative sources of fundraising and opening a bank account in the name of NCSG.<br>
</div>
<div>- Recommendation on how to best set up the Operational Procedures and ways of working with ICANN finance to support NCSG and constituency initiatives and activities.</div>
<div>- Provision of clarity on how community comments are reflected in current and future ICANN operational and financial plans.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We only have 2 weeks before the meeting. I hope this message, finds you well, thanks.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thato Mfikwe.<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
NCSG-FC mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:NCSG-FC@lists.ncsg.is" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">NCSG-FC@lists.ncsg.is</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc</a><br>
</blockquote></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, 10:26 p.m. Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I think you must have meant this for Bruna, Thato. I am not the head of the NCUC, nor of NPOC. the heads of those constituencies are in charge of managing the selection of their members of the Finance Cttee, not
me. ccing Bruna so she can respond. Other responses in line.<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande"></font></font>Stephanie<br>
</p>
<div class="m_-3174996371606097871moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-02-20 15:53, thatomfikwe wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Hi,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>When things are happening in parallel, with announcements for FC members replacement, makes the entire planning process for the Kobe meeting a mission.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It would have been better if such announcements were made after ICANN64, they put the FC in a difficult position and the Kobe meeting is planned to revive the FC not create uncertainty and uncomfortable situations with members who will be leading deliberations.
Not sure if such actions were well thought of or well planned.</div>
</blockquote>
see Bruna and Joan<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am not exactly sure how we are going to proceed despite serveral attempts to hold a meeting with members before Kobe in order to discuss the planned agenda in detail and emerging issues.</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Do you have any idea how busy council is, and the epdp, and the WHOIS review cttee, and the comments process in general? We are running ragged. WE need more members to staff the working groups.</p>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>ICANN staff is just an email away, the Charter requires the FC to work with ICANN finance so if the committee is to be effective then it needs to establish or revive critical connections that will ensure that NCSG and its constituencies are fairly supported.</div>
</blockquote>
First we determine our own policy positions. Do we want paid memberships? Do we want to establish an entity, if so what? These are not issues to discuss with staff, they would not be authorized to express an opinion, nor should they.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regarding the strong position of the community, what issues are they arguing? Do you think they are valid and what were the reposnes of members during that time?</div>
</blockquote>
not sure what this question is addressing<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you carefully review comments, they.were centered around </div>
<div>- the bank account and incorporation of NCSG. This is currently being dealt with and in progress, to also be further discussed and decided upon</div>
<div>- the role of the FC, many disagree with a lot of what is stipulated on the Charter, whereas the Charter uses simple language</div>
</blockquote>
Indeed, I cannot figure out for the life of me what the drafters of the Charter had in mind. Establishing an entity has serious financial repercussions. I have no idea where the money for that would come from. Fund raising is difficult at the best of times,
to support us at ICANN....likely to be quite a chore.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>When we review we need to be objective, even though it might seem like the vocal in the mailing list are the majority. If the FC is designed to have no autonomy then its efforts to correct mistakes of the past will always go unnoticed and unrecognised.</div>
</blockquote>
<p>what specific mistakes are you talking about?</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thato Mfikwe.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div id="m_-3174996371606097871composer_signature">
<div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.</div>
</div>
<div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000">
<div>-------- Original message --------</div>
<div>From: Stephanie Perrin <a class="m_-3174996371606097871moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
<stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a> </div>
<div>Date: 20/02/2019 21:59 (GMT+02:00) </div>
<div>To: Thato Mfikwe <a class="m_-3174996371606097871moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thatomfikwe@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
<thatomfikwe@gmail.com></a> </div>
<div>Cc: Maryam Bakoshi <a class="m_-3174996371606097871moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:maryam.bakoshi@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
<maryam.bakoshi@icann.org></a> </div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Ext] ICANN64 FC meeting preparations </div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">The event where the FC Chair, without informing his colleagues on Council or the PC, invited senior ICANN staff to one of the first FC meetings. Nobody was prepared. Most of us were unable to attend the last minute
meeting. Surprises are rarely appreciated, and noone knew the conditions under which staff had been invited. If you check back in the email archives you will be able to see the grumbling that ensued after that meeting. Senior people are exceptionally busy
at ICANN meetings....we don't invite them unless we have consensus that we are ready to meet them.<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">We are by nature a consultative group. The FC should always be consulted, so there is an open record for members to consult. Many members have strongly held views on the FC and its mandate, and check the email
archives. If there is nothing there, it is insufficiently transparent, at least in my view. I believe that is a commonly held view.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class="m_-3174996371606097871moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-02-20 13:51, Thato Mfikwe wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Hi Sephanie,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What was an embarrasment?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thato Mfikwe.<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:40 PM Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Personally, I do not think we are ready to meet with ICANN Finance staff. However, it appears the request has gone. We have already gone through this when Ed was chairing the Finance Committee, and it was an embarrassment
in my opinion.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande"><br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Cheers Stephanie</font></font><br>
</p>
<div class="m_-3174996371606097871gmail-m_-5425083856951057798moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-02-20 03:27, Maryam Bakoshi wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi Thato,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Good morning I hope this email meets you well. I have forwarded this request to Mary Wong, ICANN Staff. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am also cc’ing Stephanie, so she is in the loop. <br>
<br>
<div id="m_-3174996371606097871gmail-m_-5425083856951057798AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">
<div>—</div>
<div>Many thanks,</div>
<div><b><br>
</b></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><b><br>
</b></span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><b>Maryam Bakoshi</b> | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator </span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><b>ICANN</b> | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers </span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><b>S</b>: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | <b>T</b>: +44 7846 471777</span></div>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
On 20 Feb 2019, at 00:25, Thato Mfikwe <<a href="mailto:thatomfikwe@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">thatomfikwe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Hi Maryam,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is it possible that we request the presence of one of ICANN Finance staff and ICANN legal in the FC meeting in Kobe which will be taking place on Wednesday, 15h15 - 16h45.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Main support needed from ICANN staff:</div>
<div>- Elaboration on legal implications on incorporation of NCSG and what it will mean for ICANN.</div>
<div>- Advice on alternative sources of fundraising and opening a bank account in the name of NCSG.<br>
</div>
<div>- Recommendation on how to best set up the Operational Procedures and ways of working with ICANN finance to support NCSG and constituency initiatives and activities.</div>
<div>- Provision of clarity on how community comments are reflected in current and future ICANN operational and financial plans.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We only have 2 weeks before the meeting. I hope this message, finds you well, thanks.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thato Mfikwe.<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
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