<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,</div><div><br></div><div>I requested Maryam to remove all ABRs subnitted by the FC as per the request from the NCUC and NCSG chairs.</div><div><br></div><div>The lack of communication is becoming a serious problem, as I dont remember seeing any call for ABR submissions on the NCSG mailing list and last year it was still not clear how ABRs will be subbmitted. The only thing solicited this year was just community comments not participation. <br></div><div><br></div><div>There was still no discussion within the FC on submitted ABRs? We must be objective in our critism.<br></div><div><br></div><div>It is only an assumption or excuse that, "had the ABR template been acceppted, then it means all requests submitted were not going to be discussed with Chairs or ECs", because the discussion was about to be made public before it got rejected by 2 chairs at FC level, there was no intend to faciltate community submissions single handedly, the proceess was intended to be inclusive as that is how it started off. <br></div><div><br></div><div>If nobody is getting joy or gaining trust from FC activities and actions, then it would be proper to get a clear recommendation on what needs to be done to further prevent this problems from reoccuring. Anyway this is the first incident of the FC where something was submitted without consultation, but if this warrants action then I do not see the reason why we should be throwing words around as apposed to making recommendations and taking action. Is the FC that horrible, if so, what do you recommend?</div><div><br></div><div>NOTE: The FC values inputs from observers, although decisions and voting is made by the FC members themselves according to the charter.<br></div><div><br></div><div>My action as per your recommendation: I removed the ABRs, so what other change do you wish to see happen? <br></div><div><br></div><div>Thato Mfikwe.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:52 AM Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear all, <div><br></div><div>Thanks for the email, Steph. I am still surprised by the lack of transparency regarding the submission of such ABRs. </div><div><br></div><div>Especially because, as you mentioned, the FC is indeed not a constituency and we never had a committee like the policy committee or any of the ECs submitting requests under our stakeholder group without notifying the members or the chair, who often is the person who responds for the constituency of the stakeholder group. </div><div><br></div><div>Thato and Remmy, it is actually a shock to me that you are alleging that there is no clear procedure for submitting ABRs - once you click on the submission form you can see that you need to mention the chair's name and both me and Stephanie sent in consultations to our lists looking for suggestions to be discussed with the ec - this was very clear in my email. To consider that the FC considered it ok to submit an ABR without notifying the chairs is appaling. </div><div><br></div><div>I dont think its clear to the FC that we all want to work together in identifying possible areas for outreaching and fundraising, and I mentioned it to Thato in the call we had a few weeks ago. But in order for us to provide full support to the FCs activities we need to (a) understand your goals and (b) develop an strategic plan and lastly (c) be able to fully trust in each other. When we learn that the FC has submitted 3 ABRs without even letting the SG know, the attitude makes it seem as if you both dont trust us. </div><div><br></div><div>Also important to note that the template developed by the FC to collect ABRs suggestions was not adopted especially in light of the deadline, the proposal only got to us 2 weeks before the deadline - a period in which the proposals should be taking form before us chairs reporting them to the community and submitting. And in my emails about this I explained that this could be a solution for next years submissions, bc we would have time to improve the forms and submission process. I can say I am actually glad we did not accept the template, because it could have resulted in many more submissions without any of the NCSG and its constituencies chairs being notified. </div><div><br></div><div>Having said that, I support Stephanie's request for the withdrawal of such ABRs, they look unfinished and reflect very poorly on NCSG and its constituencies. </div><div><br></div><div>best, </div><div>bruna </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em seg, 11 de fev de 2019 às 00:14, Thato Mfikwe <<a href="mailto:thatomfikwe@gmail.com" target="_blank">thatomfikwe@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Another clarity, when ABR swere submitted, they did not have they were not bearibg the NCSG Chairss name, not sure why the name was inserted. Will follow up.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thato Mfikwe.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:18 PM Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p><span>Dear Finance Committee Co-chairs:</span></p>
<p><span>It has come to my attention that three ABRs were sent in to the process without my knowledge, and using my signature since I am responsible for the NCSG ABRs.
<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/NCSG+-+FY20+Additional+Budget+Requests" target="_blank">
https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/NCSG+-+FY20+Additional+Budget+Requests</a></span></p>
<p><span>The Finance Committee is not a separate constituency, and at the moment it does not have the authority to act independently in this manner. Even if it did, such ABRs should have been
discussed on the FC list. These had to be shared and discussed with the NCSG EC at a minimum, not sent in covertly.
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<p><span>Please explain what happened here.... I know I have been terribly busy, what with the EPDP, the RDS II review, the budget and various other comments. However, I don't think I have
forgotten anything with respect to the ABRs, and I am pretty sure I did not know about these requests.
</span></p>
<p><br>
<span>The one for CIVICRM is totally counterproductive....the amounts are wrong, and since we now have this funding in the core budget in the amount of 20K, we do not need to ask for it in an
ABR. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Without discussing in detail the merit of these requests, I would like you to please withdraw them and ask them to be taken off the website by COB Monday. You cannot
send things in in my name without consultation, because I take my responsibilities seriously. Furthermore, and now I am speaking to the merits of the requests, if seems to me they contradict our overall budget comments supporting restraint. The tone suggests
that the Finance Committee does not trust leadership to manage the money that is entrusted to the NCSG, and that the Finance Committee needs to be enabled to step up and manage it. This reflects very badly on our stakeholder group, and is not a position I
support, and not just because I am the current Chair....I do not see any evidence of financial mismanagement over the many years that NCUC has handled the only money we receive officially. Recent events in NPOC, I know very little about, but the money that
caused the friction had nothing to do with the PIR funding, as far as I can ascertain.
</span></p>
<p><span>I am deeply sympathetic to the need for regional outreach and development, this is what is behind the security and human rights outreach request, but we should have discussed these
additional requests to coordinate, and to get the facts straight.</span></p>
<p><span>Kind regards,
</span></p>
<p><span>Stephanie Perrin</span></p>
<span>NCSG Chair</span>
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