<div dir="ltr">Thanks Farzi, I think we are trying to follow the same ad hoc process that was conducted in the past year. I will send the form to both lists now in order to ease the process. <br><br>Remmy, re. what you said I think we have a problem. While we are in need of volunteers to help draft the ABRs and even get some ideas around (if you had any you could help us by sharing them on the list), the Finance Committee is basically saying this is not their job to do - while writing ABRs is something we are trying to do on behalf of and for the stakeholder group and its constituencies. <div><br></div><div>I believe that in order to fully oversee the implementation of our requests - if we manage to get any of them out - the FC would need to actually know them, as well as the submission process. By that we could do a proper follow up of what worked and what didnt. And imho, helping us draft them would be a way of getting the FC actually involved in the process. </div><div><br></div><div>Last but not least, I dont agre that anyone here is trying to micromanage anyone. We are trying to actually put an ABR proposal forward and continue to work for the constituencies. Such accusations do nothing but expose our work. If after reading this email you continue to think asking the FC to help us draft ABRs is an attempt of micromanaging, consider helping us without your FC Hat and simply as constituency member - and if your other volunteering work keeps you from doing so it is also fine. (I myself have taken a few break from reading the Geonames public comment due to the ABRs) </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Em sáb, 12 de jan de 2019 às 16:29, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Thanks Farzi. I am sorry that we are so last minute. I should have pushed this a while ago....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">However, we still have time to come up with some good ABRs. We don't need a doxen....we just need solid proposals that, as Farzi has said, the organization will have a hard time refusing.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="gmail-m_5955214539253045313moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-01-12 13:22, farzaneh badii wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Here is an ad hoc process I as NCUC and NCSG chair. I consulted with ICANN staff as well as NCSG members and NCUC members for ABRs, looked over what was accepted in other stakeholder groups
and constituencies (that makes it hard to say no to us) consider priorities of NCSG and Cs and members comments. FC was not active at the time so I sent it to NCSG EC. NCSG EC does not check NCSG mailing list regularly so it's better to share with them whatever
you share with the mailing list in advance so that they don't consider it as a late submission.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">But since we don't really have time I guess you can just wing it by using the Google Doc form and sending it to the mailing list.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I personally think FC should have nothing to do with how Cs submit their ABRs. They can suggest something but not impose. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 1:04 PM Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>I do agree that the FC has to work together with the Leadership teams in both constituencies and I mentioned to Thato in a call we had this week that NCUC EC is here to support him in all possible ways. But just so we can work together, I believe that
communication is key - that meaning we could have a closer conversation between the FC, the NCUC EC and the constituency.
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email as I did not appreciate the tone of it, as well as your attempt to challenge a decision taken by the NCUC Executive Committee. As explained, we very much appreciate the FC work and do want to work together to the committee, but we did not find it feasible
to adopt the proposed form given that the ABRs deadline is coming in less than 3 days. By adopting the proposed form now we would have to have an extra amount of work in reading through the suggestions, selecting which ones we are submitting and then starting
to draft the actual ABR form. Today is the 12th of January and the deadline for ABRs submission, as you may know, is the 15th - therefore the FC suggestion was not adopted this year in order to avoid adding another layer of work in the ABRs submission when
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<div>With regards to your comment on transparency, you might have seen my email to the NCUC list asking for ABRs suggestions and volunteers to draft it. While I think this is something that the FC could be onboard I am not going to take the time to ask why
neither of you volunteered to draft anything or sent us any suggestion yet, because I do think we have to work together and I dont believe that picking fights with each other will help us achieving anything here. But, Remmy, as soon as NCUC submits its ABRs,
they will be shared on the list - I might even be able to do it before the deadline just so we have time for corrections and community comments. I do believe that the deadline is not ideal, but we are all volunteers here and I am working with and how I can,
and I do believe that the FC is doing the same. <br>
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Having said that, can we count with any of the FC members help in drafting ABRs ? <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Em sáb, 12 de jan de 2019 às 07:40, Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com" target="_blank">remmyn@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Giving the foregoing and latent position of NCUC to an attempt to enhance process, I think it's important for FC representatives to be included in their constituency Excom to enable them work in line and in alignment with the C's rather than
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<div dir="auto">For instance, there is no clear reason for the non adoption or comment to improve it which was initiated due to the call by NCSG chair, and to help in collation of ABR afterwards, thus the NCUC decline is already counter productive to transparency
and accountability effort by FC.</div>
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<div dir="auto">But take it that FC reps are part of Excom it will afford FC to have sufficient background to the decline and come up with more acceptable concept.</div>
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<div dir="auto">In fact it seems we have three C's - NPOC, NCUC and FC under NCSG.</div>
<div dir="auto">Until we revisit this honestly not much progress will be made as we continue to fall short of ICANN processes of genuine transparency and accountability in our folds.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Happy weekend everyone as we ponder.</div>
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<div>NCUC EC Discussed it on our call yesterday and we decided that adopting the form is not an optimal solution for now. </div>
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<div>Although we very much appreciate the FC work and the idea of coming up with a mechanism to make our lives easier, in light of the short timeframe NCUC might not be able to adopt it now. Hopefully we will have the chance to enhance the proposed form for
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<div>Thank you very much. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Em sex, 11 de jan de 2019 às 10:56, Thato Mfikwe <<a href="mailto:thatomfikwe@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">thatomfikwe@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br>
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<div>Just a friendly reminder that the ABR form need to be circulated today, please make your input since we have very limited time to meet the deadline.</div>
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<div>Should there be no comments by 10pm UTC, Iit will be considered and taken that everyone is okay with the structure and extend of data collected, thanks.</div>
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<div dir="auto">This is the draft template for the ABR to help us coordinate the process.</div>
<div dir="auto">Kindly review and let's have your comments before it's shared on NCSG list on or before Friday.</div>
<div dir="auto">Regards</div>
<div dir="auto">Remmy Nweke</div>
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