<div dir="ltr">Hi Stephanie. Fellow Canadian here, can co-sign if needed. Can also vouch for Canadian banking system stability ;)<div><br></div><div>Thanks a lot for accepting to take the responsibility, hopefully only for the time that we sort things out.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 1:33 PM Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I don't think we can wait for January 4 to approve the developers block. I need to reach out to them now, and assure them I will continue the contract. I am certainly not rich either, but am happy to do this.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">As for NCSG having a better grip on its finances....there are many legal reasons why forming an entity that has a legal personality has not been done. The big one is liability. Yes it hampers our work, but there
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<div class="gmail-m_-4315182790125951772moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-12-18 03:29, Thato Mfikwe wrote:<br>
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<div>Iido support Raphael in being the technical focal point hoping there is no objection.</div>
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<div>I will comment on other issues later after giing through respective material but the financial situation of NCSG needs to improve, members cant continue to use their personal finances to sustain activities.</div>
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<div>The FC needs to start considering submitting its own ABRs and/or provide advice to C's not sure if this has been done before.</div>
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<div>Farzi, taking into consideration deadlines and all, I hope you will be able to join us in our next meeting, 4 Jan 2019 so that you can elaborate on CIVICRM, thanks.</div>
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<div>Thank you for the action points. I think from the FC's perspective there has probably been a lot of information on that regard, which may need to be digested. I will try to wrap my head around it over Christmas break (that is starting 21st for me...) and
report further as needed. In that sense I would accept to be the technical focal point.</div>
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<div>As said in a separate email though, my financial situation does not allow me to be financially in charge of that side of things. I understand that you have been before and have been refunded, and that is certainly a very kind gesture on your part, but
at the same time I may understand that in the current rather restricted membership of our FC, there is no one who want/can take that responsibility. </div>
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<div>Stephanie I do think that you read us through the FC mailing list anyway, but I copy you here just in case; are there alternative solutions to individual volunteers cashing out and getting a refund after? It is a rather suboptimal arrangement and while
it can work when we have people who are willing and able to do so, I think it is reasonable to assume that no one would want to, and I don't think it is the task of ICANN community members to do that kind of thing, generally speaking.</div>
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<div>So for your fourth action point Farzaneh I do not have a ready-made solution unfortunately... </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 6:21 PM farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I have been involved with fixing CIVICRM our membership management system. I am stepping down as the person in charge, effective today, but open to questions about how to by your future technical
contact point. But I have popilated the CIVI folder with all the required info. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We hired a company to do a discovery process and develop and fix issues. You (I don't know, either EC or FC) need to immediately think about a focal point because I will not be the focal point
anymore. Otherwise, your service won't be maintained. NCSG/NCUC NPOC/ membership have their personal, sensitive data in CIVI. You need to have a secure system. So think about it carefully and act quickly.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">You can have a financial focal point someone who can pay the monthly fee (quite substantial around 577 USD per month) and sometimes if you decide on dev blocks they have to pay more and get
reimbursed by ICANN. (I have done it before, can't do it anymore) </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">You also need a technical coordinator, someone who can ask the company to fix issues etc. (Raphael has been super helpful with this regard, so I suggest if he accepts you have Raphael as technical
contact point) </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">All the documents related to the process of making the decision as well as hiring the company are in the Google Drive folder which I have shared with you. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">There were many problems with the CIVI when I took over. Some of the most urgent problems have been resolved. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">For example, the NCSG EC comments are saved on CIVI, the membership lists are automatically updated, the security measures are in place and updated.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">In the CIVICRM folder, you can find all the tasks regarding discovery, Service Level Agreement tasks and monthly reports. I have also uploaded all the reports etc. If you face any problem you
can just send an email to the company's special email address and create a ticket.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I recently sent you an email about the current financial situation regarding CIVI. In total, we have 10500 USD (including NCUC allocated a budget of 4000 and NPOC allocated a budget of 4000)
remaining. I strongly recommend that:</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">1. You assign someone as the contact point for carrying out CIVI work and look after reporting problems and talking to others. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">2. Approve the purchase of developer's block so that the front end interface work better. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">3. Put someone in charge of CIVICRM Google folder to update (should be the focal point) </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><b>4. Ask someone (one of the leaders perhaps) to pay the monthly SLA fee if you decide to go with the current service. They then get reimbursed by ICANN. (you need to find that person by 1 Jan
otherwise you will not be able to continue the service. </b></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">5.Assign a technical focal point in place: recommend Rapahel <br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best regards,<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right" align="right"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">$577.00</span></p>
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